Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Andy Parker
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:13 PM, markus wrote: > > > But I also don't think there's fundamentally anything *wrong* with > > using whits, since they accurately model the notion of containment, > > with respect to order: classes have a "start", and a "finish", and > > there's stuff in between. It d

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread markus
> But I also don't think there's fundamentally anything *wrong* with > using whits, since they accurately model the notion of containment, > with respect to order: classes have a "start", and a "finish", and > there's stuff in between. It doesn't really feel like a hack to me. > Ironically, they *

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Nick Lewis
On Friday, August 30, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Luke Kanies wrote: > On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Andy Parker (mailto:a...@puppetlabs.com)> wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Luke Kanies > (mailto:l...@puppetlabs.com)> wrote: > > > On Aug 30, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Andy Parker > > (mailto:a...@p

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Patrick Carlisle
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Luke Kanies wrote > > Hmm. I'm essentially positive that there was a version of this bug that > was caused by whits cancelling out when classes were empty, but it sounds > like that form has been fixed. Either that, or the first time I did a deep > dive on this,

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Luke Kanies
On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Andy Parker wrote: > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Luke Kanies wrote: > On Aug 30, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Andy Parker wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:05 AM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: >> >> >> - Original Message - >> > From: "Luke Kanies" >> > To: puppet-

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread John Bollinger
On Friday, August 30, 2013 11:11:52 AM UTC-5, Andy Parker wrote: > > > Here are the possibilities: > > * resource like syntax for classes expresses containment: > > class container { class { contained: parameter => value } } > > * a function declares the class *and* expresses containmen

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Trevor Vaughan
"Then we're not on the same page, when people want the anchor pattern gone they want what you're calling the feature implemented." +1 to this. This is exactly what Markus, Luke, and I were discussing back in 2010. Trevor On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:40 PM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > > > - Original

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Erik Dalén
On 30 August 2013 09:55, Luke Kanies wrote: > On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:05 AM, "R.I.Pienaar" wrote: > > > > > > > - Original Message - > >> From: "Luke Kanies" > >> To: puppet-dev@googlegroups.com > >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:27:00 PM > >> Subject: Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Pu

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Andy Parker
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Luke Kanies wrote: > On Aug 30, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Andy Parker wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:05 AM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > >> >> >> - Original Message - >> > From: "Luke Kanies" >> > To: puppet-dev@googlegroups.com >> > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread R.I.Pienaar
- Original Message - > From: "Luke Kanies" > To: puppet-dev@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 6:34:13 PM > Subject: Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions) > > On Aug 30, 2013, at 9:14 AM, "R.I.Pienaar" wrote: > > > > > > > - Original Messag

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Luke Kanies
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:05 AM, "R.I.Pienaar" wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> From: "Luke Kanies" >> To: puppet-dev@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:27:00 PM >> Subject: Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions) >> >> On Aug 29, 2013, at 12

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Luke Kanies
On Aug 30, 2013, at 9:14 AM, "R.I.Pienaar" wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> From: "Erik Dalén" >> To: "Puppet Developers" >> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:07:46 PM >> Subject: Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions) >> >> On 30 August 2013 09:55, Luke Kan

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Luke Kanies
On Aug 30, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Andy Parker wrote: > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:05 AM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Luke Kanies" > > To: puppet-dev@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:27:00 PM > > Subject: Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Erik Dalén
On 30 August 2013 11:14, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Erik Dalén" > > To: "Puppet Developers" > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:07:46 PM > > Subject: Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions) > > > > On 30 August 2013 09:55, Luke Kanies

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread R.I.Pienaar
- Original Message - > From: "Erik Dalén" > To: "Puppet Developers" > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:07:46 PM > Subject: Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions) > > On 30 August 2013 09:55, Luke Kanies wrote: > > > On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:05 AM, "R.I.Pienaar" w

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Andy Parker
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:05 AM, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Luke Kanies" > > To: puppet-dev@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:27:00 PM > > Subject: Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions) > > > > On Aug 29, 2013,

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread R.I.Pienaar
- Original Message - > From: "Luke Kanies" > To: puppet-dev@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 3:55:57 PM > Subject: Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions) > > On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:05 AM, "R.I.Pienaar" wrote: > > > > > > > - Original Messag

[Puppet-dev] Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread Henrik Lindberg
On 2013-30-08 24:27, Luke Kanies wrote: On Aug 29, 2013, at 12:24 PM, John Bollinger mailto:john.bollin...@stjude..org>> wrote: On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:56:45 PM UTC-5, Andy Parker wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Luke Kanies > wrote: On Aug 28, 2013, at 12:38 PM,

[Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 - Language revisions

2013-08-30 Thread Henrik Lindberg
On 2013-30-08 6:31, Luke Kanies wrote: On Aug 28, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Henrik Lindberg wrote: On 2013-28-08 19:18, Luke Kanies wrote: On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Ryan Coleman mailto:r...@puppetlabs.com>> wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Henrik Lindberg mailto:henrik.lindb...@cloudsm

[Puppet-dev] Re: The future of known_resource_types and loading puppet manifests

2013-08-30 Thread Henrik Lindberg
On 2013-29-08 20:18, Andy Parker wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Henrik Lindberg mailto:henrik.lindb...@cloudsmith.com>> wrote: On 2013-28-08 19 :19, Andy Parker wrote: What I'm thinking (in terms of a workflow a user might perform): # produce a fully validated

Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions)

2013-08-30 Thread R.I.Pienaar
- Original Message - > From: "Luke Kanies" > To: puppet-dev@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:27:00 PM > Subject: Re: Anchor pattern (was Re: [Puppet-dev] Puppet 4 discussions) > > On Aug 29, 2013, at 12:24 PM, John Bollinger > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wednesday,