Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-09-05 Thread Luke Kanies
On Sep 3, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Andy Parker wrote: > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Luke Kanies wrote: > On Sep 3, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Andy Parker wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Drew Blessing >> wrote: >> I've been following this discussion for some time. As it progressive I've >

[Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-09-03 Thread Henrik Lindberg
On 2013-03-09 22:46, Andy Parker wrote: On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Luke Kanies mailto:l...@puppetlabs.com>> wrote: How difficult would it be to build tools to help our users understand when they might be making a mistake in this area? Warning is easy. Warning correctly is hard. W

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-09-03 Thread Luke Kanies
On Sep 3, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Andy Parker wrote: > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Drew Blessing > wrote: > I've been following this discussion for some time. As it progressive I've > found myself fighting internally, going one way and then the other about how > this should really be. I keep

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-09-03 Thread Andy Parker
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Luke Kanies wrote: > On Sep 3, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Andy Parker wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Drew Blessing > wrote: > >> I've been following this discussion for some time. As it progressive I've >> found myself fighting internally, going one way and

[Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-09-03 Thread Drew Blessing
I've been following this discussion for some time. As it progressive I've found myself fighting internally, going one way and then the other about how this should really be. I keep coming back to the same place - this is a bug and Luke's original statement is very important: The fix should re

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-09-03 Thread Andy Parker
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Drew Blessing wrote: > I've been following this discussion for some time. As it progressive I've > found myself fighting internally, going one way and then the other about > how this should really be. I keep coming back to the same place - this is > a bug and Luk

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-09-03 Thread Andy Parker
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Dustin J. Mitchell wrote: > The switch to semantic versioning has been pretty broadly announced > and discussed. It will benefit from being seen in action, and from a > smooth start. Which means sooner rather than later, and fewer > compatibility breakages rather

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-09-01 Thread Dustin J. Mitchell
The switch to semantic versioning has been pretty broadly announced and discussed. It will benefit from being seen in action, and from a smooth start. Which means sooner rather than later, and fewer compatibility breakages rather than more. It's easier for users to work off a short list of "BREA

[Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-08-28 Thread Henrik Lindberg
On 2013-29-08 3:06, Andy Parker wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Henrik Lindberg mailto:henrik.lindb...@cloudsmith.com>> wrote: On 2013-28-08 21 :33, Andy Parker wrote: So, short of swapping in the egrammar in as the default, I'm actually not seeing any change

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-08-28 Thread Andy Parker
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Henrik Lindberg < henrik.lindb...@cloudsmith.com> wrote: > On 2013-28-08 21:33, Andy Parker wrote: > >> So, short of swapping in the egrammar in as the default, I'm actually >> not seeing any change that is requiring the bump to puppet 4. It would >> be *nice* to r

[Puppet-dev] Re: Puppet 4 discussions

2013-08-28 Thread Henrik Lindberg
On 2013-28-08 21:33, Andy Parker wrote: So, short of swapping in the egrammar in as the default, I'm actually not seeing any change that is requiring the bump to puppet 4. It would be *nice* to remove deprecated functionality, and it would be really nice to get the egrammar, but we can also conti