Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-25 Thread Alexandre DERUMIER
ecause they won't write too many things. - Mail original - De: "Lindsay Mathieson" À: "proxmoxve" Envoyé: Lundi 25 Avril 2016 10:41:21 Objet: Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster On 25/04/2016 5:24 PM, Eneko Lacunza wrote: > So, here you have the reason for your ba

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-25 Thread Eneko Lacunza
El 25/04/16 a las 10:41, Lindsay Mathieson escribió: On 25/04/2016 5:24 PM, Eneko Lacunza wrote: So, here you have the reason for your bad write performance with Ceph. You have to carefully choose the journal SSDs, otherwise you can be better even without SSDs... (yes, I made this very mistake

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-25 Thread Lindsay Mathieson
On 25/04/2016 5:24 PM, Eneko Lacunza wrote: So, here you have the reason for your bad write performance with Ceph. You have to carefully choose the journal SSDs, otherwise you can be better even without SSDs... (yes, I made this very mistake too!) What brand/model? Yah I know :( Intel 530's

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-25 Thread Angel Docampo
On 22/04/16 12:42, Mohamed Sadok Ben Jazia wrote: Hello list, In order to set a high scalable proxmox infrastructure with a number of clusters, i plan to use distributed storing system, for this i have some questions. 1- I have a choice between Ceph and Gluster, which is better for proxmox. We us

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-25 Thread Eneko Lacunza
Hi, El 23/04/16 a las 02:36, Lindsay Mathieson escribió: On 23/04/2016 7:50 AM, Brian :: wrote: With NVME journals on a 3 node 4 OSD cluster Well your hardware is rather better than mine :) I'm just using consumer grade SSD's for journals which won't have anywhere near the performance of NV

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-25 Thread Eneko Lacunza
Hi, El 22/04/16 a las 23:50, Brian :: escribió: With NVME journals on a 3 node 4 OSD cluster if I do a quick dd of a 1GB file on a VM I can see 2.34Gbps on the storage network straight away so if I was only using 1Gbps here the network would be a bottlekneck. If I perform the same in 2 VMs traff

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-23 Thread Alexandre DERUMIER
-- De: "Lindsay Mathieson" À: "proxmoxve" Envoyé: Vendredi 22 Avril 2016 16:02:19 Objet: Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster On 22/04/2016 11:31 PM, Brian :: wrote: > 10Gbps or faster at a minimum or you will have pain. Even using 4 > nodes with 4 spinner disks in each node

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Lindsay Mathieson
Also, what sort of iowait percentages are you seeing? On 23/04/2016 7:50 AM, Brian :: wrote: Hi Lindsay, With NVME journals on a 3 node 4 OSD cluster if I do a quick dd of a 1GB file on a VM I can see 2.34Gbps on the storage network straight away so if I was only using 1Gbps here the network wo

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Lindsay Mathieson
On 23/04/2016 7:50 AM, Brian :: wrote: Would be very interested in hearing more about your gluster setup.. I don't know anything about it - how many nodes are involved? I'd be interested in you ceph setup as well - Version? - Rolled out using proxmox tools? (pveceph etc) - underlying filesyste

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Lindsay Mathieson
On 23/04/2016 7:50 AM, Brian :: wrote: With NVME journals on a 3 node 4 OSD cluster Well your hardware is rather better than mine :) I'm just using consumer grade SSD's for journals which won't have anywhere near the performance of NVME if I do a quick dd of a 1GB file on a VM I can see 2.

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Brian ::
Hi Lindsay, With NVME journals on a 3 node 4 OSD cluster if I do a quick dd of a 1GB file on a VM I can see 2.34Gbps on the storage network straight away so if I was only using 1Gbps here the network would be a bottlekneck. If I perform the same in 2 VMs traffic hits 4.19Gbps on the storage networ

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Lindsay Mathieson
On 22/04/2016 11:31 PM, Brian :: wrote: 10Gbps or faster at a minimum or you will have pain. Even using 4 nodes with 4 spinner disks in each node and you will be maxing out 1Gbps network. Can't say I saw that on our cluster. - 3 Nodes - 3 OSD's per Node - SSD journals for each OSD. - 2*1G Eth

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Mohamed Sadok Ben Jazia
As it will we a large infrastructure, the number of nodes will increase while demand is increasing. The network will be mainly needed for backups (not sure to make a node for backups only), and also for VM and LXC migration to use nodes in an optimal way. A good bandwidth is needed while moving co

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Eneko Lacunza
Hi Mohamed, El 22/04/16 a las 15:00, Mohamed Sadok Ben Jazia escribió: Thank you Eneko, I read in proxmox forum that distributed storage needs 10GBit or faster on the local network and a dedicated network. Could you detail your used infrastructure to see if it matches those conditions? We only h

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Brian ::
Hi Mohamed 10Gbps or faster at a minimum or you will have pain. Even using 4 nodes with 4 spinner disks in each node and you will be maxing out 1Gbps network. For any backfills or adding new OSDs you don't want to be waiting on 1Gbps ethernet speeds. Dedicated 10Gbps network for ceph communicatio

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Mohamed Sadok Ben Jazia
Thank you Eneko, I read in proxmox forum that distributed storage needs 10GBit or faster on the local network and a dedicated network. Could you detail your used infrastructure to see if it matches those conditions? On 22 April 2016 at 12:06, Eneko Lacunza wrote: > Hi Mohamed, > > El 22/04/16

Re: [PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Eneko Lacunza
Hi Mohamed, El 22/04/16 a las 12:42, Mohamed Sadok Ben Jazia escribió: Hello list, In order to set a high scalable proxmox infrastructure with a number of clusters, i plan to use distributed storing system, for this i have some questions. 1- I have a choice between Ceph and Gluster, which is bet

[PVE-User] Ceph or Gluster

2016-04-22 Thread Mohamed Sadok Ben Jazia
Hello list, In order to set a high scalable proxmox infrastructure with a number of clusters, i plan to use distributed storing system, for this i have some questions. 1- I have a choice between Ceph and Gluster, which is better for proxmox. 2- Is it better to install one of those systems on the no