Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-12 Thread Lenard Lindstrom
Actually I would go for this. It should still be possible to build Pygame for Python 2.3 on Windows. Basically only some unit test code and the Windows dependency build stuff is now 2.4. Lenard Brian Fisher wrote: I actually see more point in supporting 2.3 than 2.4 2.4 was a pretty worthle

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-12 Thread Patrick Mullen
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Casey Duncan wrote: > On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:48 PM, Brian Fisher wrote: > [..] >> >> ...In fact, I think a reasonable thing for pygame to do is say you want >> support for 2.3? then here's an installer for 1.8.1, we kept it around just >> for you. > > I think this i

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-12 Thread Casey Duncan
On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:48 PM, Brian Fisher wrote: [..] ...In fact, I think a reasonable thing for pygame to do is say you want support for 2.3? then here's an installer for 1.8.1, we kept it around just for you. I think this is the right way to approach this. You need to use an old version

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-11 Thread René Dudfield
It'd be nice if we could drop the pyobjc dependency :) On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Brian Fisher wrote: > I'd be happy to add 2.6 to the automated builds of pygame for Mac OS X, but > I haven't been able to figure out how to deal with PyObjC yet :( > > it doesn't install from source cause of

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-11 Thread Brian Fisher
I'd be happy to add 2.6 to the automated builds of pygame for Mac OS X, but I haven't been able to figure out how to deal with PyObjC yet :( it doesn't install from source cause of some dependency error: error: Could not find suitable distribution for Requirement.parse('pyobjc-framework-XgridFound

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-11 Thread Brian Fisher
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:53 PM, James Mills wrote: > I see no point in supporting older versions of > the Python language/interpter/vm/etc > > One good reason to support older versions of the python language is cause other extensions haven't supported the new versions yet. Users want to be able t

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-11 Thread René Dudfield
hi, It's about people using your programs -- not just about people making programs. Using python 2.6 cuts out at least 3%* of the people who can use your program. For some people this is important. That's millions of computers, mostly older recycled computers. So for people who care about the

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-11 Thread James Mills
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Brian Fisher wrote: > I actually see more point in supporting 2.3 than 2.4 > > 2.4 was a pretty worthless release :) I see no point in supporting older versions of the Python language/interpter/vm/etc Why ? It encourages lazy developers. Keep up boys :) (And gir

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-11 Thread Brian Fisher
I actually see more point in supporting 2.3 than 2.4 2.4 was a pretty worthless release :) On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:38 PM, James Mills wrote: > I honestly don't see any point in supporting > python 2.3 at all, in fact I wouldn't even > support python 2.4 but that's just me. > > cheers > James >

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-11 Thread Ian Mallett
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:38 PM, James Mills wrote: > I honestly don't see any point in supporting > python 2.3 at all, in fact I wouldn't even > support python 2.4 but that's just me. > > cheers > James I second that.

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-11 Thread James Mills
I honestly don't see any point in supporting python 2.3 at all, in fact I wouldn't even support python 2.4 but that's just me. cheers James On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Charlie Nolan wrote: > I think at this point, Pygame could drop official 2.3 support, but > unofficially attempt to keep it

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-11 Thread Charlie Nolan
I think at this point, Pygame could drop official 2.3 support, but unofficially attempt to keep it working as long as practical. If Debian want to support new Pygame on their old version, they're welcome to report bugs for anything that gets broken by accident. That would avoid the unit testing h

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread Lenard Lindstrom
This is not about removing Python 2.3 code. It is about new code, particularly the unit test stuff. It is just tedious to keep checking if some Python feature is 2.3 compatible when I no longer have 2.3 on my machine. Lenard René Dudfield wrote: hi, the main reason for keeping 2.3 support

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread René Dudfield
hi, the main reason for keeping 2.3 support was to support the last ye olde Debian stable I think... However they finally got their new release out with 2.5 as the standard python (unfortunately they released with a version of pygame from 2005). Plus the 2.3 python on tiger OSX, and not requiring

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread Lenard Lindstrom
I don't know about msvcr71.dll licensing. msvcr90.dll may be an even stickier issue. A Python 2..6 version of py2exe was recently released though. I am not currently working on any Pygame extensions, just support stuff. So I won't worry about maintaining Python 2.3 compatibility. Lenard B

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread Lenard Lindstrom
Pygame already compiles and runs with Python 2.6. I've done this with Windows, but have no access to OS X. So Pygame for Python 2.6 is available to anyone who wants to build it. At least on a Unix system their is no issues with C runtime compatibility. Lenard Bill Coderre wrote: So Mac u

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread Charlie Nolan
Actually, I'm pretty sure that I've got Python 2.5 installed on a OS X 10.2 machine. I remember that it was officially one OS X version earlier than was supported, but it installed and runs just fine. I've been building py2app+Pygame stuff on it. -FM On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Joe Strout

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread Joe Strout
On Dec 10, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Greg Ewing wrote: Do we still need to keep Pygame Python 2.3 compatible. I believe Python 2.3 shipped with Mac OS X Tiger. Is it still the OS X default? No, OS X (10.5) comes with 2.5.1. Some people still use 10.4, though! True. And that came with Python 2.3

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread James Paige
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 01:16:37PM +1300, Greg Ewing wrote: > Joe Strout wrote: > > >>Do we still need to keep Pygame Python 2.3 compatible. I believe > >>Python 2.3 shipped with Mac OS X Tiger. Is it still the OS X default? > > > >No, OS X (10.5) comes with 2.5.1. > > Some people still use 10.4

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread Greg Ewing
Joe Strout wrote: Do we still need to keep Pygame Python 2.3 compatible. I believe Python 2.3 shipped with Mac OS X Tiger. Is it still the OS X default? No, OS X (10.5) comes with 2.5.1. Some people still use 10.4, though! -- Greg

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread Brian Fisher
The only interesting thing about python 2.3 on windows is that it uses the older MSVCRT60.dll and friends, which have shipped with all the windows OS's, meaning that you don't need to redistribute the runtime dlls if you build an exe with python 2.3. That being said, I'm the type to really care ab

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread Bill Coderre
- Original Message - From: "Joe Strout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Dec 10, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Lenard Lindstrom wrote: Do we still need to keep Pygame Python 2.3 compatible. I believe Python 2.3 shipped with Mac OS X Tiger. Is it still the OS X default? No, OS X (10.5) comes with 2.5.1. O

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread yanom @linuxmail.org
l.org > Subject: Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame? > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:02:26 -0700 > > > On Dec 10, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Lenard Lindstrom wrote: > > > Do we still need to keep Pygame Python 2.3 compatible. I believe > > Python 2

Re: [pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread Joe Strout
On Dec 10, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Lenard Lindstrom wrote: Do we still need to keep Pygame Python 2.3 compatible. I believe Python 2.3 shipped with Mac OS X Tiger. Is it still the OS X default? No, OS X (10.5) comes with 2.5.1. Best, - Joe

[pygame] Do we still need Python 2.3 support from Pygame?

2008-12-10 Thread Lenard Lindstrom
Hi, Do we still need to keep Pygame Python 2.3 compatible. I believe Python 2.3 shipped with Mac OS X Tiger. Is it still the OS X default? How about other operating systems? The testing framework is Python 2.4, using the subprocess module. But what about the core Pygame code? I am getting tir