Re: pygame is low level Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-26 Thread Dave LeCompte (really)
Phil Hassey wrote: > Regarding more pygame features - I think all of the things you asked > would require some work in c-land. If you want it soon, you'd probably > be the best person to implement it. Oh, to be clear, that was my expectation all along - these were things that most people (so fa

Re: pygame is low level Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-26 Thread Phil Hassey
Dave, Regarding the lack of a page on the pygame website that collects these resources together - I'd suggest adding a wiki page that you feel does a good job of that :) About pygame being low level, I agree, that's how I like it too! But the page you suggested above would maybe he

pygame is low level Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-26 Thread Dave LeCompte (really)
Caleb Mahase wrote: > However, as time went on I began to realize that is was only good for > VERY simple games. Even simple things such as rotating an image on a > specified axis became convoluted and overly-complicated. I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to accomplish - could you explain f

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-26 Thread Luke Paireepinart
At first, I found Pygame perfect for the games I wanted to create. However, as time went on I began to realize that is was only good for VERY simple games. Even simple things such as rotating an image on a specified axis became convoluted and overly-complicated. I would highly reccommend that

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-26 Thread Bob Ippolito
On 2/26/07, Caleb Mahase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jer Juke wrote: >Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need >to pick out some random library and state how awful I >think it is. But this is not "some random library". It >is the "standard" game library for a most beautiful >language

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-26 Thread Caleb Mahase
Jer Juke wrote: Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But this is not "some random library". It is the "standard" game library for a most beautiful language known far and wide for it's power and easy of use, both

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-19 Thread Jason Marshall
Hey Numeric users, If you want a Numeric 24.2 build for Python 2.5 and Win32, go to http://biopython.org/wiki/Download and look for the Numeric-24.2.win32-py2.5.exe link. I just tested this build with the Surfarray Demo and it worked. (René D.'s http://rene.f0o.com/~rene/stuff/Numeric-24.2.win32-p

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-19 Thread Brian Fisher
On 2/19/07, Jer Juke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry for throwing in that big flaming pile of dung into your pretty mailinglist, as in apologies for all the boring replies people posted in a response. I'm sorry we bored you. As for why I did not compile it myself it's because I have no need

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-19 Thread Phil Hassey
Hey, I've downloaded that binary and posted it to the pygame website under the downloads page. http://www.pygame.org/download.shtml Later, Phil Luke Paireepinart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jer Juke wrote: > Sorry for throwing in that big flaming pile of dung > into your pretty mailinglist, as i

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-19 Thread Luke Paireepinart
Jer Juke wrote: Sorry for throwing in that big flaming pile of dung into your pretty mailinglist, as in apologies for all the boring replies people posted in a response. As for why I did not compile it myself it's because I have no need for it. I filed this complained exclusively due to my gr

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-19 Thread Jer Juke
Sorry for throwing in that big flaming pile of dung into your pretty mailinglist, as in apologies for all the boring replies people posted in a response. As for why I did not compile it myself it's because I have no need for it. I filed this complained exclusively due to my great compassion for

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-17 Thread Lenard Lindstrom
Sami Hangaslammi wrote: As Luke pointed out, Python extensions have to be compiled with the same compiler as the main Python DLL, which in case of the official win32 distribution is VS.NET. That's incorrect. The C calling convention is consistent across Window's compilers. The main concern i

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-17 Thread Lenard Lindstrom
Sami Hangaslammi wrote: http://opioid-interactive.com/~shang/python-win32/pygame-1.7.1release.win32-py2.5.exe I did a quick test and everything seemed to work fine, but haven't tested it throughly, as I too am still mainly using Python 2.4. It work's for me as well, even the movie module.

RE: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-17 Thread Johan Geldenhuys
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sami Hangaslammi Sent: 17 February 2007 07:11 PM To: pygame-users@seul.org Subject: Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace http://opioid-interactive.com/~shang/python-win32/pygame-1.7.1release.win32- py2.5.exe I did a quick test and everything seemed to work fine, but

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-17 Thread Sami Hangaslammi
http://opioid-interactive.com/~shang/python-win32/pygame-1.7.1release.win32-py2.5.exe I did a quick test and everything seemed to work fine, but haven't tested it throughly, as I too am still mainly using Python 2.4. -- Sami Hangaslammi On 2/17/07, Phil Hassey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sami,

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-17 Thread Phil Hassey
Sami, Thanks lots for your help. I get an email or so every week asking when they will be available (since I maintain the website.) Can you post links to the binaries here? I'm not using python 2.5 yet - but if a few other people who are could download them and test 'em out quick and say the

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-17 Thread Sami Hangaslammi
On 2/17/07, Charles Joseph Christie II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excuse me for hijacking this thread and asking, but how hard is it to compile programs in Windows? 'Cause in Linux you just type: ./ configure && make && make install and you're set to go after you settle dependency problems, whi

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-16 Thread Luke Paireepinart
Charles Joseph Christie II wrote: Excuse me for hijacking this thread and asking, but how hard is it to compile programs in Windows? 'Cause in Linux you just type: ./ configure && make && make install and you're set to go after you settle dependency problems, which I found overwhelmingly easy t

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-16 Thread Charles Joseph Christie II
Excuse me for hijacking this thread and asking, but how hard is it to compile programs in Windows? 'Cause in Linux you just type: ./ configure && make && make install and you're set to go after you settle dependency problems, which I found overwhelmingly easy the last time I tried it in PCLinuxOS

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-16 Thread Brian Fisher
Idiotic flame-bait troll sharing his pain at the world caused by his obvious social and professional inadequacies not-withstanding... Having a pygame-1.7.1 python2.5-win32 installer posted on the pygame.org download page would be nice. I would appreciate the kindness of those involved in sharing

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Charles Christie
Troll. On 2/15/07, Jer Juke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But this is not "some random library". It is the "standard" game library for a most beautiful language known far and wi

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Ryan Charpentier
Your two main issues seem to be that pygame isn't pythonic enough, and that no one has compiled a python 2.5 version for you. I'm not quite sure what you mean by not pythonic enough, I wouldn't mind if some of the functions in some of the modules, for instance transform, were merged with Surface o

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread René Dudfield
die On 2/15/07, Jer Juke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But this is not "some random library". It is the "standard" game library for a most beautiful language known far and wide f

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Bob Ippolito
On 2/15/07, Rikard Bosnjakovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/15/07, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it would've taken a lot less time to compile some version (any > version) of pygame for Python 2.5 than to write this message. I'd beg to differ. Pygame 1.7 had a lot of depe

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread spotter .
On 2/15/07, Kamilche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jer Juke wrote: > Yeah, you heard me > (snip) > ...these people are a disgrace and a detriment to > python game development efforts on the whole. > You're not impressing anybody with your vicious attack on people who maintain and support Pyga

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Kamilche
Jer Juke wrote: Yeah, you heard me > (snip) ...these people are a disgrace and a detriment to > python game development efforts on the whole. You're not impressing anybody with your vicious attack on people who maintain and support Pygame. You're doing them a great disservice, and en

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Sami Hangaslammi
FWIW, I've compiled pygame-1.7.1 (as well as Numeric-24.2 for surfarray) for Python2.5-win32 and would be happy to contribute the installer to the pygame site if there's need. I also tried compiling pygame-1.8 a couple of weeks back, but it seemed to have a lot of new dependencies for headers and

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Rikard Bosnjakovic
On 2/15/07, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it would've taken a lot less time to compile some version (any version) of pygame for Python 2.5 than to write this message. I'd beg to differ. Pygame 1.7 had a lot of dependencies which was a real pain in the backside to compile. Pa

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread altern
Luke Paireepinart wrote: altern wrote: Bob Ippolito wrote: On 2/15/07, Jer Juke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But this is not "some random library". It is the "standard" game l

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Luke Paireepinart
altern wrote: Bob Ippolito wrote: On 2/15/07, Jer Juke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But this is not "some random library". It is the "standard" game library for a most beautifu

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread altern
Bob Ippolito wrote: On 2/15/07, Jer Juke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But this is not "some random library". It is the "standard" game library for a most beautiful language know

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Luke Paireepinart
Jer Juke wrote: Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But this is not "some random library". It is the "standard" game library for a most beautiful language known far and wide for it's power and easy of use, both w

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread altern
Jer Juke wrote: Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But this is not "some random library". It is the "standard" game library for a most beautiful language known far and wide for it's power and easy of use, both w

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Ken Seehart
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Clearly, the python community needs a much superior game library, and clearly you must be capable of developing such a library or you probably would not have written that message. We look forward to seeing your new library, which is certain to become

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Bob Ippolito
On 2/15/07, Jer Juke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But this is not "some random library". It is the "standard" game library for a most beautiful language known far and wide for it

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Jack Nutting
On 2/15/07, Jer Juke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [an angry diatribe] I believe the standard response to the problem you describe is to say something like, "if it's important to you, feel free to help us out and do some work to make it happen". But with the attitude you put on display here, I pe

Re: [pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Jim Froehlich
Jer, Don't try hide your feelings by sugarcoating things. Please tell us what you really think about Pygame... ; ) Jim On Feb 15, 2007, at 3:44 AM, Jer Juke wrote: Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But

[pygame] pygame is a disgrace

2007-02-15 Thread Jer Juke
Yeah, you heard me. Normally I wouldn't feel any need to pick out some random library and state how awful I think it is. But this is not "some random library". It is the "standard" game library for a most beautiful language known far and wide for it's power and easy of use, both when it comes to th