Utterly frustrated

2007-01-19 Thread Jamie
I've been struggling to learn how to use Pylons and it's getting to the point that I'm about to give up and just use Django. I need some advice on how to make this less painful. I've been a (professional) web developer for over a decade now and can't remember ever being this frustrated with lear

Re: Utterly frustrated

2007-01-19 Thread Ben Bangert
On Jan 18, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Jamie wrote: I'm at the point now that I'm comfortable with writing productive apps in Python and am looking for a good MVC framework. I started with Django and found it reatively easy to pickup. However, one of the reasons it's easy is because all the components ar

Re: Utterly frustrated

2007-01-19 Thread Kendall Clark
On Jan 19, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Ben Bangert wrote: > I would personally suggest Mako (Myghty's successor and much > cleaner) if you want non-XML based templates, and Genshi if you > want XML-ish templates. Again, use as little as possible to get > started, and read the appropriate docs for

Re: Utterly frustrated

2007-01-19 Thread Yves-Eric
Jamie wrote: > I've been struggling to learn how to use Pylons and it's getting to the > point that I'm about to give up and just use Django. I need some advice > on how to make this less painful. [...] > But having to learn Myghty/Cheetah (still haven't decided), SQLAlchemy, > Paste, and Routes a

Re: Utterly frustrated

2007-01-20 Thread Christoph Haas
Hi, Jamie... On Friday 19 January 2007 03:04, Jamie wrote: > I've been struggling to learn how to use Pylons and it's getting to the > point that I'm about to give up and just use Django. Ewww... the dark side? :) > I need some advice on how to make this less painful. > > I've been a (professio

Re: Utterly frustrated

2007-01-20 Thread Bob Ippolito
On 1/20/07, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, Jamie... > > On Friday 19 January 2007 03:04, Jamie wrote: > > I've been struggling to learn how to use Pylons and it's getting to the > > point that I'm about to give up and just use Django. > > Ewww... the dark side? :) > > > I need s

Re: Utterly frustrated

2007-01-20 Thread Mike Orr
On 1/19/07, Ben Bangert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is no reason to try and learn everything at once. There's > pretty much no reason to even consider Paste from the beginning > besides for the few 'paster' commands you need to start the > development server, make a new project, and add a c

Re: Utterly frustrated

2007-01-20 Thread Robert Sayre
> On 1/19/07, Ben Bangert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > paster create --template=pylons PROJ > > paster controller NEWCONTROLLER > > paster serve development.ini There should be a "pylons" alias for these three. pylons create PROJ pylons controller NEWCONTROLLER pylons serve development.ini So

Re: Utterly frustrated

2007-01-25 Thread dkuhlman
> The myghty web site for example is just plain evil. I don't need a syntax > diagram kind of documentation or a reference for kernel developers. Just > tell me the most frequently used features and how to use them. I found that the following page gave me 90% of what I needed about Myghty: h

Re: Utterly frustrated

2007-01-25 Thread dkuhlman
On Jan 20, 4:47 pm, "Robert Sayre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/19/07, Ben Bangert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > paster create --template=pylons PROJ > > > paster controller NEWCONTROLLER > > > paster serve development.iniThere should be a "pylons" alias for these > > > three. > > pyl