Re: [pypy-dev] Questions Regarding Scipy in Pypy (Not a Feature Request)

2012-07-31 Thread Steven Jackson
Which source files/functions/line numbers should I take a look at, as specifically as possible? On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Steven Jackson > wrote: > > I am definitely open to working on Numpy first, my only hesitation was > that

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Ronny (2012.07.31_17:12:15_+0200) > i would dare to say that Distributions that manage semi-compatible, > but distro specific "forks" of open source projects > instead of aiming for a distro compatible upstream > create quite some grief for developers. Weighed up against making grief for users.

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Ronny Pfannschmidt
Hi, i would dare to say that Distributions that manage semi-compatible, but distro specific "forks" of open source projects instead of aiming for a distro compatible upstream create quite some grief for developers. after all users don't tend to notice those incompatibilities, but it breaks the

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Armin (2012.07.31_16:26:50_+0200) > My point of view is that this goes in the same pack of > incompatibilities introduced by some distributions as splitting the > install path (which we recommend to install as one block in > /opt/pypy-1.9). Most distros won't use /opt. We tend to follow the FHS

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi Stefano, On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Stefano Rivera wrote: > And I do my best to minimize that. In this case, I thought it was worth > the delta. My point of view is that this goes in the same pack of incompatibilities introduced by some distributions as splitting the install path (which

Re: [pypy-dev] Questions Regarding Scipy in Pypy (Not a Feature Request)

2012-07-31 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Steven Jackson wrote: > I am definitely open to working on Numpy first, my only hesitation was that > it might be hard to get spun up, and scipy seemed like something I could > slice off and do (some of) by myself without accidentally conflicting with > ongoing dev

Re: [pypy-dev] Questions Regarding Scipy in Pypy (Not a Feature Request)

2012-07-31 Thread Steven Jackson
I am definitely open to working on Numpy first, my only hesitation was that it might be hard to get spun up, and scipy seemed like something I could slice off and do (some of) by myself without accidentally conflicting with ongoing development efforts. If, as your replies have indicated, Numpy isn

Re: [pypy-dev] Questions Regarding Scipy in Pypy (Not a Feature Request)

2012-07-31 Thread Daπid
I believe the reason is that they prefer to focus the development effort into the more "basic" Numpy and from that go on. Numpy is not fully implemented I am working (actually, right now I am only in the "thinking" state) on some modules of NumPy, maybe we could coordinate and give this a boost.

Re: [pypy-dev] Questions Regarding Scipy in Pypy (Not a Feature Request)

2012-07-31 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
Hi Steven. Thanks for getting to us about it. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Steven Jackson wrote: > I know there is no current plan to implement scipy in pypy, but searching > the PyPy website, I was not able to find the reason. > > If it is not to be included as a feature due to lack of inte

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Christian (2012.07.31_13:05:48_+0200) > >vaguely inline Hrm, I never finished that sentance, because I went back and made the point earlier in the mail. > Your backport makes sense, but the reasoning should be identical > between cpython and pypy. > If cpython does not do it, pypy does not do

[pypy-dev] Questions Regarding Scipy in Pypy (Not a Feature Request)

2012-07-31 Thread Steven Jackson
I know there is no current plan to implement scipy in pypy, but searching the PyPy website, I was not able to find the reason. If it is not to be included as a feature due to lack of interest or developer time, I am offering to begin rewriting scipy in pure python (I have quite a bit of free time

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Christian Tismer
On 31.07.12 12:35, Stefano Rivera wrote: Hi Armin (2012.07.31_12:10:01_+0200) I think that PyPy shouldn't do that, because CPython doesn't. If Debian/Ubuntu also hacked CPython to do that, then fine; we are then free to point users to them (blame them?) for issues :-) We did seriously consider

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Stefano Rivera wrote: > Hi Armin (2012.07.31_12:10:01_+0200) >> I think that PyPy shouldn't do that, because CPython doesn't. If >> Debian/Ubuntu also hacked CPython to do that, then fine; we are then >> free to point users to them (blame them?) for issues :-) >

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Armin (2012.07.31_12:10:01_+0200) > I think that PyPy shouldn't do that, because CPython doesn't. If > Debian/Ubuntu also hacked CPython to do that, then fine; we are then > free to point users to them (blame them?) for issues :-) We did seriously consider hacking cpython to do that, before in

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi Stefano, On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Stefano Rivera wrote: >> PyPy contains no logic to create or search for __pycache__. A grep >> tells me that neither does CPython 2.7. > > A Debian/Ubuntu pypy does, though. I think that PyPy shouldn't do that, because CPython doesn't. If Debian/Ub

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Armin (2012.07.31_09:25:08_+0200) > PyPy contains no logic to create or search for __pycache__. A grep > tells me that neither does CPython 2.7. You are probably confused by > py.test creating them. A Debian/Ubuntu pypy does, though. And IIRC, that's what travis CI is using. It's the pep3147

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread holger krekel
Hi Marcus, Armin, On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 09:25 +0200, Armin Rigo wrote: > Hi Marcus, > > PyPy contains no logic to create or search for __pycache__. A grep > tells me that neither does CPython 2.7. You are probably confused by > py.test creating them. ... creating them during a pypy test run

Re: [pypy-dev] __pycache__ folders

2012-07-31 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi Marcus, PyPy contains no logic to create or search for __pycache__. A grep tells me that neither does CPython 2.7. You are probably confused by py.test creating them. A bientôt, Armin. ___ pypy-dev mailing list pypy-dev@python.org http://mail.pyt