Re: [pypy-dev] Should jitviewer come with a warning?

2013-02-03 Thread exarkun
On 05:39 pm, john.m.cam...@gmail.com wrote: I have been noticing a pattern where many who are writing Python code to run on PyPy are relying more and more on using the jitviewer to help them write faster code. Unfortunately, many of them who do so don't look at improving the design of their

Re: [pypy-dev] Should jitviewer come with a warning?

2013-02-03 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 05:39 pm, john.m.cam...@gmail.com wrote: I have been noticing a pattern where many who are writing Python code to run on PyPy are relying more and more on using the jitviewer to help them write faster code. Unfortunately,

Re: [pypy-dev] Should jitviewer come with a warning?

2013-02-03 Thread John Camara
What makes you think people will even read this warning, let alone prioritize it over their immediate desire to make their program run faster? (Not that I am objecting to adding the warning, but I think you might be fooling yourself if you think it will have any impact) Jean-Paul I agree

Re: [pypy-dev] Should jitviewer come with a warning?

2013-02-03 Thread John Camara
Let me rephrase it. Where did you look for such a warning and you did not find it so you assumed it's ok? Cheers, fijal Having a warning on https://bitbucket.org/pypy/jitviewer would be good. On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM, John Camara john.m.cam...@gmail.com wrote: What makes you

Re: [pypy-dev] Should jitviewer come with a warning?

2013-02-03 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Maciej Fijalkowski fij...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:08 PM, John Camara john.m.cam...@gmail.com wrote: What makes you think people will even read this warning, let alone prioritize it over their immediate desire to make their program run faster?

Re: [pypy-dev] Parallella open hardware platform

2013-02-03 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:01 AM, John Camara john.m.cam...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of days ago I heard about the Parallella [1] project which is an open hardware platform similar to the Raspberry Pi but with much higher capabilities. It has a Zynq Z-7010 which has both a dual core ARM A9

Re: [pypy-dev] Should jitviewer come with a warning?

2013-02-03 Thread John Camara
Also, looking at the msgpack - this code is maybe not ideal, but if you're dealing with buffer-level protocols, you end up with code looking like C a lot. I do agree that this type a code will likely end up looking like C but it's not necessary for all of it to look like c. Like there should

Re: [pypy-dev] Should jitviewer come with a warning?

2013-02-03 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:29 PM, John Camara john.m.cam...@gmail.com wrote: Also, looking at the msgpack - this code is maybe not ideal, but if you're dealing with buffer-level protocols, you end up with code looking like C a lot. I do agree that this type a code will likely end up looking

Re: [pypy-dev] Should jitviewer come with a warning?

2013-02-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On 04/02/13 06:25, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 05:39 pm, john.m.cam...@gmail.com wrote: I have been noticing a pattern where many who are writing Python code to run on PyPy are relying more and more on using the jitviewer to help them write faster code. Unfortunately, many of them who

Re: [pypy-dev] Should jitviewer come with a warning?

2013-02-03 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On 04/02/13 06:25, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 05:39 pm, john.m.cam...@gmail.com wrote: I have been noticing a pattern where many who are writing Python code to run on PyPy are relying more and more on using

Re: [pypy-dev] Should jitviewer come with a warning?

2013-02-03 Thread John Camara
that is definitely a no (my screen is too small to have some noise there, if for no other reason), it might have a warning in the documentation though, if it's any useful. But honestly, I doubt such a warning makes any sense. People who are capable of using jitviewer already know better. I