Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Chris Jerdonek
I agree a name other than BDFL should be chosen, especially since (as I understand it) Guido is still BDFL but just taking a permanent vacation, and the name implies there should only be one. Also, if we're considering particular people, I think Nick should also be considered. Should the position

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Kushal Das
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:17 AM Tim Peters wrote: > > > [Barry Warsaw] >> >> ... >> >> * We retain a singular BDFL to lead Python >> * A Council is selected to serve as advisors to the BDFL, a selection >> committee for succession, and a check against the BDFL. > > +1 to this idea including Bret

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Tim Peters
[Barry Warsaw] > ... > * We retain a singular BDFL to lead Python > * A Council is selected to serve as advisors to the BDFL, a selection > committee for succession, and a check against the BDFL. > You made a fine case for that a single dictator is the best possible approach, for much the same re

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 7:02 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > If you’ve read this far - thank you! Now for the big reveal. I think the > Next BDFL should be… (drum roll)… > > Brett Cannon > > To summarize: > > * We retain a singular BDFL to lead Python > * A Council is selected to serve as advisors

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Chris Jerdonek
I apologize if this has already been mentioned on a different thread, but something else I like about the BDFL model is that it avoids "design by committee." I think Python owes a lot of its success to its coherence as a language, which is in large part due to Guido's vision, as well as making the

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
Barry, you offer truly compelling arguments for a new BDFL as GvR's successor -- FWIW, you've convinced me. And Brett would be an absolutely outstanding pick as that "new BDFL" -- on this, I need no convincing. Alex On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 7:08 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > I’d like to propose an

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Carol Willing
I wholeheartedly agree with Barry's suggestion. It offers a single person who can communicate the design vision. While the support of a council will help spread out the work and provides a great way to grow future leaders and a smooth transition if for any reason (family, work, health, etc.) the n

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Ned Deily
On Jul 17, 2018, at 22:15, Eric V. Smith wrote: > On 7/17/2018 10:02 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> I’d like to propose an alternative model, and with it a succession plan, >> that IMHO hasn’t gotten enough discussion. It’s fairly radical in that it >> proposes to not actually change that much! >>

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Eric V. Smith
On 7/17/2018 10:02 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I’d like to propose an alternative model, and with it a succession plan, that IMHO hasn’t gotten enough discussion. It’s fairly radical in that it proposes to not actually change that much! TL;DR: I propose keeping a singular BDFL and adding a Counci

[python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
I’d like to propose an alternative model, and with it a succession plan, that IMHO hasn’t gotten enough discussion. It’s fairly radical in that it proposes to not actually change that much! TL;DR: I propose keeping a singular BDFL and adding a Council of Advisors that helps the BDFL in various

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-17 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Jack Jansen's message of 2018-07-17 11:33:22 +0200: > > > On 17 Jul 2018, at 02:02, Tim Peters wrote: > > > > [Tim] > >> Guido's most visible (well, to us committers) BDFL role has been in > >> "yes/no", "go/nogo" language/library design questions, which don't even > >> overlap w

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-17 Thread Jack Jansen
> On 17 Jul 2018, at 02:02, Tim Peters wrote: > > [Tim] >> Guido's most visible (well, to us committers) BDFL role has been in >> "yes/no", "go/nogo" language/library design questions, which don't even >> overlap with the PSF's proper concerns. >> >> But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated ju

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-17 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 17/07/2018 à 04:07, Brett Cannon a écrit : > > This ties into the core dev sponsor idea that got floated where all > inexperienced PEP authors need someone to sign up to shepherd them > through the process. That way everything is more structured and, with > this idea, also more uniform. This