Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Georg Brandl
Brett Cannon schrieb: > I just tried to update my 3.0 branch in hg from > http://code.python.org/hg/branches/py3k/ and hg is telling me it's a > 404. Anyone else having trouble? 404 here too. Since http://code.python.org/ serves the loggerhead Bazaar view, I suppose the problem is that the logger

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Eric Smith
Georg Brandl wrote: Brett Cannon schrieb: I just tried to update my 3.0 branch in hg from http://code.python.org/hg/branches/py3k/ and hg is telling me it's a 404. Anyone else having trouble? 404 here too. Since http://code.python.org/ serves the loggerhead Bazaar view, I suppose the problem

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Adam Olsen
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neil Schemenauer wrote: >> Sigurd Torkel Meldgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> For a student project in a course on virtual machines, we are >>> evaluating the possibility to experiment with removing the GIL >>> from CPy

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Nick Coghlan
Adam Olsen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Neil Schemenauer wrote: >>> Sigurd Torkel Meldgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For a student project in a course on virtual machines, we are evaluating the possibility to experiment with remov

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-10-31 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> What about having two level of devs ? >> >> + core developers + standard library developers >> >> [cut] > > > So I'd suggest thinking about developer responsibilities more in terms > of areas of expertise rather than "le

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Adam Olsen
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adam Olsen wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Neil Schemenauer wrote: Sigurd Torkel Meldgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For a student project in a course on vi

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> Yet another hint at the evil force-Bazaar-upon-them conspiracy . > > I'm not so sure Bazaar isn't it's own victim :) I have now restored the original URL structure, and moved the loggerhead installation to http://code.python.org/loggerhead/ Regards, Martin ___

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 31, 2008, at 08:44 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: >Brett Cannon schrieb: >> I just tried to update my 3.0 branch in hg from >> http://code.python.org/hg/branches/py3k/ and hg is telling me it's a >> 404. Anyone else having trouble? > >404 here too. >

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 31, 2008, at 08:58 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >Naw, I think I just f'd up the Apache conf. I'll try to fix that. And by "I'll" of course I meant "Martin". :) Thanks Martin! - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 31, 2008, at 03:50 AM, Eric Smith wrote: >I posted this yesterday about using bzr: > > >I'd like to try it out, but the instructions on > > http://www.python.org/dev/bazaar/ say to get wget > > http://code.python.org/snapshots/python-bzr-snapsh

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Looks like it should be > > http://code.python.org/loggerhead/static/images/ico_folder.gif I did a quick hack for the static files, but many of the links still don't work. loggerhead has specific support for reverse proxies (through loggerhead.conf), but I couldn't figure out how to activat

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Calvin Spealman
Has anyone made the argument for keeping the GIL to discourage threading? I'm only throwing this out there and I'm sure we'd want to improve things no matter what, but I would like to voice the concern anyway. We all know there are people who think threading is the answer to all things, and who don

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> A couple nits. Leaving off the trailing / yields a 404. (No big deal > though). More importantly, there seem to be no images, e.g.: > > http://code.python.org/static/images/ico_folder.gif > > Looks like it should be > > http://code.python.org/loggerhead/static/images/ico_folder.gif

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread skip
Martin> I have now restored the original URL structure, and moved the Martin> loggerhead installation to Martin> http://code.python.org/loggerhead/ A couple nits. Leaving off the trailing / yields a 404. (No big deal though). More importantly, there seem to be no images, e.g.:

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 07:59:01AM -0400, Calvin Spealman wrote: > Has anyone made the argument for keeping the GIL to discourage > threading? I haven't, but I would support such argument. In my humble opinion multithreading is rarely a good answer, and for multicore CPUs it's a wrong answer. F

Re: [Python-Dev] Proper initialization of structs

2008-10-31 Thread Christian Heimes
Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: But what if PyType_GenericAlloc is used for tp_alloc? As far as I know, the memory block allocated with PyType_GenericAlloc is zeroed. Oh, you are right. The generic allocator uses memset to initialize the block with \0. Christian _

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Christian Heimes
Nick Coghlan wrote: If I recall correctly, the main blocker to ctypes portability is libffi portability. So if anyone would like to see ctypes on more platforms, then that's the limitation they really need to attack. ctypes is also missing utilities to write code that works on 32 and 64bit pla

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Michael Foord
Calvin Spealman wrote: Has anyone made the argument for keeping the GIL to discourage threading? I'm only throwing this out there and I'm sure we'd want to improve things no matter what, but I would like to voice the concern anyway. We all know there are people who think threading is the answer t

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Victor Stinner
Le Friday 31 October 2008 14:13:01 Christian Heimes, vous avez écrit : > ctypes is also missing utilities to write code that works on 32 and > 64bit platforms. Without a tool like > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ctypes_configure it's very hard and tedious > to avoid and fix segfaults. I wrote some c

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >> Has anyone made the argument for keeping the GIL to discourage >> threading? I'm only throwing this out there and I'm sure we'd want to >> improve things no matter what, but I would like to voic

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread skip
Calvin> Has anyone made the argument for keeping the GIL to discourage Calvin> threading? I'm only throwing this out there and I'm sure we'd Calvin> want to improve things no matter what, but I would like to voice Calvin> the concern anyway. We all know there are people who think

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Thomas Heller
Christian Heimes schrieb: > Nick Coghlan wrote: >> If I recall correctly, the main blocker to ctypes portability is libffi >> portability. So if anyone would like to see ctypes on more platforms, >> then that's the limitation they really need to attack. > > ctypes is also missing utilities to writ

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Thomas Heller
Victor Stinner schrieb: > Le Friday 31 October 2008 14:13:01 Christian Heimes, vous avez écrit : >> ctypes is also missing utilities to write code that works on 32 and >> 64bit platforms. Without a tool like >> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ctypes_configure it's very hard and tedious >> to avoid and

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Calvin Spealman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone made the argument for keeping the GIL to discourage > threading? Oooh, you are on to my secret plan! :-) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) _

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-10-31 Thread Victor Stinner
> I have a similar list that I have been thinking about proposing. I did > a blog post about it at > http://sayspy.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-are-typical-steps-issue-goes.html > and received positive feedback: > > * triage > * verify bug > * test needed > * needs patch > * patch review > * commit re

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-10-31 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> But we need also some hooks to automate stage changes: > * attach a new patch => set stage to "patch review" >(and maybe add the keyword "review") The latter already happens automatically. > * remove "patch reviewed" keyword => set stage to "commit review" > * set status to "closed" => s

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2008-10-31 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (10/24/08 - 10/31/08) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 2153 open (+33) / 13915 closed (+19) / 16068 total (+52) Open issues with patches: 705 Average

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Brian Granger
>> Has anyone made the argument for keeping the GIL to discourage >> threading? > > Oooh, you are on to my secret plan! :-) I completely agree that there are other approaches to parallelism and concurrency that are much better than threading. However, I don't think this is a good argument for hav

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Adam Olsen
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Brian Granger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Has anyone made the argument for keeping the GIL to discourage >>> threading? >> >> Oooh, you are on to my secret plan! :-) > > I completely agree that there are other approaches to parallelism and > concurrency that are

Re: [Python-Dev] Has python-dev collapsed?

2008-10-31 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:22 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 29 Oct, 09:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Will 3.1 and 2.7 also be parallel releases? (I ask, not having read >> the 3xxx PEPS at all.) >> >> If yes, why? While I can see a case for 2.6/3.0 being in sync -- new >> features