Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 393 Summer of Code Project

2011-09-02 Thread Stefan Behnel
Greg Ewing, 02.09.2011 02:36: Guido van Rossum wrote: But in a word like coëxistentie (coexistence) the o and e do not form the oe-sound, and to emphasize this to Dutch readers (who believe their spelling is very logical :-), the official spelling puts the umlaut on the e. Sometimes this is

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 393 Summer of Code Project

2011-09-02 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/1/2011 11:59 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I believe that the deprecation of the digraphs as separate letters occurred as the telephone became widely used in Spain, and the telephone company demanded an official proclamation from whatever Ministry is responsible for culture that it was OK

Re: [Python-Dev] Ctypes and the stdlib (was Re: LZMA compression support in 3.3)

2011-09-02 Thread Jeremy Sanders
Dan Stromberg wrote: SIP's approach of using something close to, but not identical to, the .h's sounds like it might be pretty productive - especially if the derivative of the .h's could be automatically derived using a python script, with minor tweaks to the inputs on .h upgrades. But sip

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 optimizations continued...

2011-09-02 Thread Stefan Behnel
stefan brunthaler, 02.09.2011 06:37: as promised, I created a publicly available preview of an implementation with my optimizations, which is available under the following location: https://bitbucket.org/py3_pio/preview/wiki/Home I followed Nick's advice and added some valuable advice and

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 optimizations continued...

2011-09-02 Thread stefan brunthaler
as promised, I created a publicly available preview of an implementation with my optimizations, which is available under the following location: https://bitbucket.org/py3_pio/preview/wiki/Home One very important thing that I forgot was to indicate that you have to use computed gotos (i.e.,

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 optimizations continued...

2011-09-02 Thread stefan brunthaler
1) The SFC optimisation is purely based on static code analysis, right? I assume it takes loops into account (and just multiplies scores for inner loops)? Is that what you mean with nesting level? Obviously, static analysis can sometimes be misleading, e.g. when there's a rare special case

[Python-Dev] Multigigabyte memory usage in the OpenIndiana Buildbot

2011-09-02 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A single instance of buildbot in the OpenIndiana buildbot is eating 1.4GB of RAM and 3.8GB of SWAP and growing. The build hangs or die with a out of memory error, eventually. This is 100% reproducible. Everytime I force a build thru the buildbot

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2011-09-02 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2011-08-26 - 2011-09-02) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open2967 ( +4) closed 21701 (+36) total 24668 (+40) Open issues

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 393 Summer of Code Project

2011-09-02 Thread Zvezdan Petkovic
On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le jeudi 01 septembre 2011 à 08:45 -0700, Guido van Rossum a écrit : This is definitely thought of as a separate mark added to the e; ë is not a new letter. I have a feeling it's the same way for the French and

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 optimizations continued...

2011-09-02 Thread Stefan Behnel
stefan brunthaler, 02.09.2011 17:55: 4) Regarding inlined object references, I would expect that it's much more worthwhile to speed up LOAD_GLOBAL and LOAD_NAME than LOAD_CONST. I guess that this would be best helped by watching the module dict and the builtin dict internally and invalidating

Re: [Python-Dev] Multigigabyte memory usage in the OpenIndiana Buildbot

2011-09-02 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/09/11 17:57, Jesus Cea wrote: The build hangs or die with a out of memory error, eventually. A simple make test with python not compiled with pydebug and skipping all the optional tests (like zip64) is taking up to 300MB of RAM. Python 2.7

Re: [Python-Dev] Multigigabyte memory usage in the OpenIndiana Buildbot

2011-09-02 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:53:37 +0200 Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/09/11 17:57, Jesus Cea wrote: The build hangs or die with a out of memory error, eventually. A simple make test with python not compiled with pydebug and skipping all the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 393 Summer of Code Project

2011-09-02 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2011 11:59 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Tres Seaver writes: FWIW, I was taught that Spanish had 30 letters in the alfabeto: the 'ñ', plus 'ch', 'll', and 'rr' were all considered distinct characters. That was always a Castellano

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 optimizations continued...

2011-09-02 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
For a comparative real world benchmark I tested Martin von Loewis' django port (there are not that many meaningful Python 3 real world benchmarks) and got a speedup of 1.3 (without IIS). This is reasonably well, US got a speedup of 1.35 on this benchmark. I just checked that pypy-c-latest on

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 optimizations continued...

2011-09-02 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski, 02.09.2011 20:42: For a comparative real world benchmark I tested Martin von Loewis' django port (there are not that many meaningful Python 3 real world benchmarks) and got a speedup of 1.3 (without IIS). This is reasonably well, US got a speedup of 1.35 on this benchmark. I

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 optimizations continued...

2011-09-02 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Maciej Fijalkowski, 02.09.2011 20:42: For a comparative real world benchmark I tested Martin von Loewis' django port (there are not that many meaningful Python 3 real world benchmarks) and got a speedup of 1.3 (without

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 393 Summer of Code Project

2011-09-02 Thread Greg Ewing
Terry Reedy wrote: While it has apparently been criticized as 'conservative' (which is well ought to be), it has been rather progressive in promoting changes such as 'ph' to 'f' (fisica, fone) and dropping silent 'p' in leading 'psi' (sicologia) and silent 's' in leading 'sci' (ciencia). I

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 393 Summer of Code Project

2011-09-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Greg Ewing writes: I find it curious that pronunciation always seems to take precedence over spelling in campaigns like this. Nowadays, especially with the internet increasingly taking over from personal interaction, we probably see words written a lot more often than we hear them