Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Stephen J. Turnbull writes: > .deploy.static.akamitechnologies.com (according to host ), Ignore this; *my* aging eyes dropped the "A" in "akamAitechnologies.com". Sorry for the noise. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.py

[Python-Dev] Python 2.7 root buildbot showing errors

2014-01-05 Thread Chris Angelico
The first build my new root buildbot did showed errors in the 2.7 test suite, but I thought little of it as quite a few other 2.7 buildbots are showing red, too. But it seems they're showing different errors, so there might be something wrong with the setup. http://buildbot.python.org/all/builders

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Bob Hanson
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:54:41 -0600, Tim Peters wrote: [Bob Hanson] > >> ... magnifying glass, I see it is two very long URLs ending with > >> something like after the blah-blah: < ... akametechnology.com> [Stephen J. Turnbull] > > I suppose you tried cutting and pasting? [...] Tried, but was uns

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Christian Heimes
On 06.01.2014 05:12, Donald Stufft wrote: ensurepip uses —no-index so it shouldn’t be hitting the network at all. Do you have a test to ensure that ensurepip doesn't try to use network connections? You could e.g. mock socket.create_connection() and socket.socket() in a custom socket module. T

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Tim Peters
[Bob Hanson] >> ... magnifying glass, I see it is two very long URLs ending with >> something like after the blah-blah: < ... akametechnology.com> [Stephen J. Turnbull] > I suppose you tried cutting and pasting? Note that you don't need to > be exact as long as you're pretty sure you got the whol

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Bob Hanson writes: > On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:09:23 -0600, Tim Peters wrote: > > > As Benjamin asked, could you please flesh out what > > "blah-blah-blah-dot-com" means - what, exactly, was the site your > > firewall warned you about? > > Forgive me, but I'm an old man with very poor vision.

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Donald Stufft
ensurepip uses —no-index so it shouldn’t be hitting the network at all. On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:06 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 19:32:15 -0800, Bob Hanson wrote: >> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:09:53 -0600, Tim Peters wrote: >>> So it's just Akamai caching content. Common as mud. C

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread R. David Murray
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 19:32:15 -0800, Bob Hanson wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:09:53 -0600, Tim Peters wrote: > > So it's just Akamai caching content. Common as mud. Can't say > > specifically what was being cached, but it _could_ be that your ISP > > contracts with Akamai. > > Still not followi

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Bob Hanson
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:09:53 -0600, Tim Peters wrote: > [Bob Hanson] > > Forgive me, but I'm an old man with very poor vision. Using my > > magnifying glass, I see it is two very long URLs ending with > > something like after the blah-blah: < ... akametechnology.com> > > > > More precisely, these t

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Tim Peters
[Bob Hanson] > Forgive me, but I'm an old man with very poor vision. Using my > magnifying glass, I see it is two very long URLs ending with > something like after the blah-blah: < ... akametechnology.com> > > More precisely, these two IP addresses: > 23.59.190.113:80 > 23.59.190.106:80 So

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Bob Hanson
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:09:23 -0600, Tim Peters wrote: > As Benjamin asked, could you please flesh out what > "blah-blah-blah-dot-com" means - what, exactly, was the site your > firewall warned you about? Forgive me, but I'm an old man with very poor vision. Using my magnifying glass, I see it is

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Ethan Furman
On 01/05/2014 06:02 PM, Bob Hanson wrote: I'm presuming, still, that it is something to do with the "ensure that pip is present on Windows" thing? Perhaps you could help us out by telling us what site was trying to be accessed? -- ~Ethan~ ___ Python

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Tim Peters
[Bob Hanson] > ... > Didn't think this likely, but I have now quintuple-checked > everything again. Everything says I have the real McCoy > msiexec.exe in its proper location -- just upgraded another app > which used MSI installers and it went as per normal. That sounds most likely to me too ;-)

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Bob Hanson
[Bob Hanson] > > This is the first time I ever installed a version of Python which > > caused something called "MSIEXEC.EXE" [Tim Peters] > msiexec.exe is not part of the Python download.. msiexec.exe is part > of the Windows operating system, and is precisely the program that > installs .msi fil

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Tim Peters
[Benjamin Peterson] > ... > This is the first time I ever installed a version of Python which > caused something called "MSIEXEC.EXE" msiexec.exe is not part of the Python download.. msiexec.exe is part of the Windows operating system, and is precisely the program that installs .msi files (which

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: 2.x vs 3.x survey results

2014-01-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
I'm sure that the main problem is that people don't search. Surprisingly, it's often easier to complain "there is no X" than to try to search for a solution to X. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Eli Bendersky wrote: > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Antoine Pitrou > Date: Sun

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Benjamin Peterson
-- Regards, Benjamin On Sun, Jan 5, 2014, at 04:19 PM, Bob Hanson wrote: > On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:20:50 -0800, Larry Hastings wrote: > > > On behalf of the Python development team, I'm pleased to announce > > the second beta release of Python 3.4. > > Thanks, Larry and all the devs, your hard

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Bob Hanson
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:20:50 -0800, Larry Hastings wrote: > On behalf of the Python development team, I'm pleased to announce > the second beta release of Python 3.4. Thanks, Larry and all the devs, your hard work is appreciated. However, why does this new version look like adware or other malwa

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed: The Great Argument Clinic Conversion Derby

2014-01-05 Thread Stefan Krah
Nick Coghlan wrote: > > I had that working at one point. Guido said no, keep it all in one file. > > I'm flexible but first you'd have to convince him. > > It's also not something we're stuck with forever - we can start with it inline > (which has the advantage of keeping all the code in the sa

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed: The Great Argument Clinic Conversion Derby

2014-01-05 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 6 Jan 2014 05:54, "Larry Hastings" wrote: > > On 01/05/2014 01:49 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: >> >> But I very much upset by the fact that the generated code is written mixed with written manually. It is difficult to navigate (list of symbols now contains three times more names), makes it diffi

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed: The Great Argument Clinic Conversion Derby

2014-01-05 Thread Larry Hastings
On 01/05/2014 01:49 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: But I very much upset by the fact that the generated code is written mixed with written manually. It is difficult to navigate (list of symbols now contains three times more names), makes it difficult to read and provokes error (editing the generat

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

2014-01-05 Thread Larry Hastings
On behalf of the Python development team, I'm pleased to announce the second beta release of Python 3.4. This is a preview release, and its use is not recommended for production settings. Python 3.4 includes a range of improvements of the 3.x series, including hundreds of small improvements and

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed: The Great Argument Clinic Conversion Derby

2014-01-05 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
It looks interesting enough. I volunteer to convert at least the audioop, grp, operator, pwd, spw, sre, struct, tkinter modules (audioop already converted, tkinter in progress). If no one will get them, I perhaps will convert the builtins, sys, itertools, functools modules and str, bytes, byte

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed: The Great Argument Clinic Conversion Derby

2014-01-05 Thread Larry Hastings
On 01/05/2014 11:49 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: On 1/5/2014 11:21 AM, Larry Hastings wrote: By my estimate, there are about six hundred places that could be converted to work with Argument Clinic in CPython; as of this writing only a dozen or two have actually been converted. Do you remember which?

[Python-Dev] [RELEASE] libmpdec-2.4.0 (suitable for compiling _decimal)

2014-01-05 Thread Stefan Krah
Hi, I've released libmpdec-2.4.0, which can be used to compile _decimal with the "--with-system-libmpdec" configure option: http://www.bytereef.org/mpdecimal/download.html libmpdec-2.4.0 is exactly the same as the one in the CPython source tree. The API is stable and the libmpdec-2.x.y series

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed: The Great Argument Clinic Conversion Derby

2014-01-05 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/5/2014 11:21 AM, Larry Hastings wrote: Let me start with a summary of the current status of Argument Clinic. It's checked in, it seems to be working fine. As of Friday I've checked in some reasonably complete documentation as a howto: http://docs.python.org/3.4/howto/clinic.html At

[Python-Dev] Fwd: 2.x vs 3.x survey results

2014-01-05 Thread Eli Bendersky
-- Forwarded message -- From: Antoine Pitrou Date: Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] 2.x vs 3.x survey results To: python-dev@python.org On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 11:23:45 -0600 Brian Curtin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: > > On Sun

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.x vs 3.x survey results

2014-01-05 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 11:23:45 -0600 Brian Curtin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:20 AM, John Yeuk Hon Wong > > wrote: > >> I think it helps Luca and many others (including myself) if there is a > >> reference of the difference between 2.

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.x vs 3.x survey results

2014-01-05 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:20 AM, John Yeuk Hon Wong > wrote: >> I think it helps Luca and many others (including myself) if there is a >> reference of the difference between 2.7 and Python 3.3+. > > Not specifically for 2.7 and 3.3, no. This

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.x vs 3.x survey results

2014-01-05 Thread Ethan Furman
On 01/04/2014 08:20 PM, John Yeuk Hon Wong wrote: I think it helps Luca and many others (including myself) if there is a reference of the difference between 2.7 and Python 3.3+. Here's another reference: http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/imprint_downloads/informit/promotions/python/python2pytho

[Python-Dev] Proposed: The Great Argument Clinic Conversion Derby

2014-01-05 Thread Larry Hastings
Let me start with a summary of the current status of Argument Clinic. It's checked in, it seems to be working fine. As of Friday I've checked in some reasonably complete documentation as a howto: http://docs.python.org/3.4/howto/clinic.html At last, here in beta 2, Argument Clinic is r

[Python-Dev] Discoverability of guides to Python 3 porting (was: 2.x vs 3.x survey results)

2014-01-05 Thread Ben Finney
Lennart Regebro writes: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:20 AM, John Yeuk Hon Wong > wrote: > > If there is such reference available? > > I'm honestly despairing that people still don't know that there is a > free book on the topic. I have no idea how to increase the knowledge > on this point. John Y

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.x vs 3.x survey results

2014-01-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:20 AM, John Yeuk Hon Wong wrote: > I think it helps Luca and many others (including myself) if there is a > reference of the difference between 2.7 and Python 3.3+. Not specifically for 2.7 and 3.3, no. This is a fairly complete list: http://python3porting.com/difference