[Python-Dev] Contribution to github repos.

2020-11-05 Thread Manak Wadhwa
Hey Guys, I am Manak Wadhwa. I have a good hand in python language, ML Algorithms, Web Dev (HTML5, CSS3, JS, PHP, AJAX, Bootstrap, JQuery). I want to contribute to python org can someone help as which repository should i start with or work on. ___ Pytho

[Python-Dev] Re: Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-05 Thread Carol Willing
Thanks Inada-san for bringing up this issue. I agree with your point and Guido's that the tutorial should target learning Python if new to the language but not coding. It's likely that in the future there will be an even more basic tutorial for those newer to coding. An advanced concept, as Kyle m

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 642: Constraint Pattern Syntax for Structural Pattern Matching

2020-11-05 Thread Greg Ewing
On 6/11/20 4:54 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, Nov 04, 2020 at 12:15:08PM +1300, Greg Ewing wrote: If "_" is a non-binding wildcard, linters will have to allow "case _, _" otherwise it might as well not be there. And then if it is later changed to be binding, Why would we want to do that?

[Python-Dev] Re: Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-05 Thread Kyle Stanley
I can't speak for all of the members of the upcoming documentation WG, but as someone that will be on it (based on our discussions at the recent core dev sprint), my personal vote would be for keeping it as a comprehensive guide for beginners of Python. Detailed enough that it covers the fundamenta

[Python-Dev] Re: Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
Agreed, I like to refer beginners there who are new to Python but not new to coding. On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:03 AM Brett Cannon wrote: > A documentation WG is going to be formed which will be in a better > position to answer this, so until that WG is started I think we should keep > the tutori

[Python-Dev] Re: Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-05 Thread Brett Cannon
A documentation WG is going to be formed which will be in a better position to answer this, so until that WG is started I think we should keep the tutorial aimed towards beginners. On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 1:13 AM Inada Naoki wrote: > Hi, all. > > Since "How To" guide is not organized well, it is

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 642: Constraint Pattern Syntax for Structural Pattern Matching

2020-11-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, Nov 04, 2020 at 12:15:08PM +1300, Greg Ewing wrote: > If "_" is a non-binding wildcard, linters will have to allow > "case _, _" otherwise it might as well not be there. And then > if it is later changed to be binding, Why would we want to do that? Apart from the backward incompatibilit

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 642: Constraint Pattern Syntax for Structural Pattern Matching

2020-11-05 Thread Gustavo Carneiro
I think using symbols like ? and == in patterns looks stylistically ugly, and unintuitive, albeit more explicit. I, too, would rather have pattern matching more explicit, but it shouldn't need to be so ugly (yes, I know, ugly is a subjective term, so be it). I would propose that, opposite to what

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 642: Constraint Pattern Syntax for Structural Pattern Matching

2020-11-05 Thread Ronald Oussoren via Python-Dev
> On 3 Nov 2020, at 16:36, Paul Svensson wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2020, Greg Ewing wrote: > >> On 3/11/20 11:01 am, Ethan Furman wrote: >> >>> I believe supporting >>> >>> case x, x # look ma! no guard! >>> is a possible future enhancement. >> >> In which case there will be a need f

[Python-Dev] Re: Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-05 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
@PaulMoore i see this: There is a list of tutorials suitable for experienced programmers on the BeginnersGuide/Tutorials page. written here: https://www.python.org/about/gettingstarted/ XD Kind Regards, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https

[Python-Dev] Re: Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-05 Thread Paul Moore
IMO, the tutorial should remain as a document aimed at new users, and therefore it definitely should *not* include too much detail. I've helped a couple of friends learn Python and I have always directed them to the tutorial as the "official" guide for new users. If the tutorial is no longer aimed

[Python-Dev] Re: Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-05 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
Was reading a tuto by vinay sajip on the official site the other day and i can say that the tutos are great, they just need to be more in numbers. With the old style look of the tutos i dont think as you pointed out that new readers will go through it. better resources exist. I suggest we keep it a

[Python-Dev] Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-05 Thread Inada Naoki
Hi, all. Since "How To" guide is not organized well, it is very tempting to write all details in tutorial. I have seen may pull requests which "improve" tutorial by describe more details and make the tutorial more perfect. But adding more and more information into tutorial makes it slower to lear