[Python-Dev] WikiSort

2014-03-15 Thread Aahz
e might be a trick or two to add to TimSort. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "usenet imitates usenet" --Darkhawk ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.or

[Python-Dev] FWD: Windows 3.2.3 64 bit installers are actually 3.2

2012-06-14 Thread Aahz
e input() bug mentioned > here: http://bugs.python.org/issue11272 was occuring in what I thought was > the latest release - then I realized that my terminal windows stated version > 3.2, not 3.2.3 after several uninstalls/installs. - End forwarded message - -- Aahz (a...@

Re: [Python-Dev] 404 in (important) documentation in www.python.org and contributor agreement

2011-11-26 Thread Aahz
doesn't exist. Fixed > PS: The devguide doesn't say anything (AFAIK) about the contributor > agreement. The devguide seems to now be hosted on docs.python.org and AFAIK the web team doesn't deal with that. Someone from python-dev needs to lead. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com)

Re: [Python-Dev] webmas...@python.org address not working

2011-11-25 Thread Aahz
plain alias, so anyone whose e-mail isn't working will generate a bounce. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ WiFi is the SCSI of the 21st Century -- there are fundamental technical reasons for sacrificing a goat. (with no apologies to John W

[Python-Dev] FWD: gpg keys have problems

2011-06-05 Thread Aahz
imported: 2 (RSA: 1) > gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found > - End forwarded message - -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Looking back over the years, after I learned Python I realized that I never really had enjoye

[Python-Dev] FWD: error: 3.2 release schedule has release in Jan 2010.

2010-07-05 Thread Aahz
; > -Verba nihil operandi melius est quam absurde. > > > - End forwarded message - -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not sta

[Python-Dev] FWD: http://www.python.org/dev/patches/

2010-03-09 Thread Aahz
to set the "Category" field to "Documentation". > > There doesn't appear to be a field named "Category". Perhaps there used > to be? The correct field name now appears to be "Components". - End forwarded message - -- Aahz (a...@pyt

[Python-Dev] PyCon 2010 registration open! (Early-bird Jan 6)

2009-11-30 Thread Aahz
: http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/talks/ http://us.pycon.org/2010/tutorials/ We'll see you in Atlanta! Spread the word! -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ The best way to get information on Usenet is not to ask a question, but to pos

[Python-Dev] PyCon 2010: Poster sessions

2009-11-04 Thread Aahz
* Live Q&A during a plenary timeslot where people can get more information from you while you stand next to your display For more information and to submit a poster proposal, visit http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/posters/ -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*>

[Python-Dev] LAST CHANCE: PyCon 2010: Call for Proposals

2009-09-26 Thread Aahz
ming out on November 15th. For the detailed call for proposals, please see: <http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/proposals/> For videos of talks from previous years - check out: <http://pycon.blip.tv> We look forward to seeing you in Atlanta! -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com)

[Python-Dev] FWD: Windows 7 Compatibility

2009-09-14 Thread Aahz
g it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that reading > it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please > immediately return it to the sender and delete it from your system. Thank > you. > - End forwarded message - -- Aahz (a...@pythoncr

[Python-Dev] FWD: Front Runner Program

2009-09-10 Thread Aahz
ic.albre...@nichecubed.com<mailto:eric.albre...@nichecubed.com> - End forwarded message - -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "To me vi is Zen. To use vi is to practice zen. Every command is a koan. Profound to the user, unin

[Python-Dev] REMINDER: PyCon 2010: Call for Proposals

2009-09-03 Thread Aahz
r proposals, please see: <http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/proposals/> For videos of talks from previous years - check out: <http://pycon.blip.tv> We look forward to seeing you in Atlanta! -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "

[Python-Dev] Going nomail

2009-07-27 Thread Aahz
I just started a new job today, and I've got a bunch of other stuff going on in my life, so I'm setting python-dev and python-ideas to nomail for a while. Please feel free to ping me directly if you want. I'll be back. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) &

Re: [Python-Dev] command line attachable debugger

2009-07-24 Thread Aahz
ask about this, please use comp.lang.python (python-dev is for questions about fixing bugs and adding features). -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit any doubt and just

Re: [Python-Dev] REVIEW: PyArg_ParseTuple with "s" format and NUL: Bogus TypeError detail string.

2009-07-24 Thread Aahz
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009, Sean Reifschneider wrote: > > Thoughts? Please file a report at bugs.python.org to make sure it doesn't get lost. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "At Resolver we've found it useful to short

Re: [Python-Dev] python sendmsg()/recvmsg() implementation

2009-07-23 Thread Aahz
me a review on what I've done wrong. Please post this to bugs.python.org -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is given by pi*z*z*a" ___

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Replace MS Windows Console with Unicode UI

2009-07-23 Thread Aahz
k this API is good for py3k. > When stdout is console and not redirected to [pipe|file], > sys.stdout.write(u"foo") > can avoid encoding and use WriteConsoleW(L"foo") Please submit a feature request to bugs.python.org -- with a patch would be even nicer, of course. --

Re: [Python-Dev] Experiment: Adding "re" to string objects.

2009-07-17 Thread Aahz
. The module mentioned here > includes a class called "restr()" which allows you to play with "s.re". Ideas should go to python-ideas, please. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you think it's expensi

Re: [Python-Dev] Any updates on this subprocess/signal bug/issue (Re: subprocess and EINTR errnos)

2009-07-06 Thread Aahz
t; was any update on this issue. Are these issues supposed to be handled on > a per application basis, or will a fix go into Python in the near > future? For starters, if there is to be any progress, there needs to be an open issue on bugs.python.org -- have you searched to see if

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial migration: progress report (PEP 385)

2009-07-03 Thread Aahz
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote: > > Should we consider adding a sys.revision attribute and begin the deprecation > of sys.subversion? +1 -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "as long as we like the same operating sys

Re: [Python-Dev] I am back

2009-07-01 Thread Aahz
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote: > > Anything happen while I was gone that I should be aware of that is not > covered in a PEP? Yes. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "as long as we like the same operating sys

Re: [Python-Dev] Syntax for parsing tuples/lists into C arrays

2009-06-25 Thread Aahz
syntax extension to facilitate that kind > of tasks, and would appreciate your feedbacks. This should probably get reposted to python-ideas. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "as long as we like the same operating s

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1 and mingw

2009-06-23 Thread Aahz
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009, Vincent R. wrote: > > I wanted to know if you have some patch to compile python 3.x on mingw > platform because I found some but doesn't work very well : This question belongs on comp.lang.python, please re-post there. -- Aahz (a...@p

Re: [Python-Dev] draft pep: backwards compatibility

2009-06-19 Thread Aahz
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2009/6/19 Aahz : >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009, Georg Brandl wrote: >>> >>> Yet another rather pointless bikeshed: if this becomes policy, maybe it >>> should get a PEP number < 100, like PEP 5 or 6. >> >

Re: [Python-Dev] draft pep: backwards compatibility

2009-06-19 Thread Aahz
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009, Georg Brandl wrote: > > Yet another rather pointless bikeshed: if this becomes policy, maybe it > should get a PEP number < 100, like PEP 5 or 6. +1 -- I was debating whether to say something. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://w

Re: [Python-Dev] Distributed computing & sending the interpreter

2009-06-13 Thread Aahz
d some good advice on the new list concurrency-sig. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Many customs in this life persist because they ease friction and promote productivity as a result of universal agreement, and whether they are precise

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding key and reverse args to bisect

2009-06-11 Thread Aahz
stion, but please post suggestions like this to python-ideas, that's the best place for them. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you&

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool

2009-06-04 Thread Aahz
s a high-powered browser, similar to Google Maps. That makes me -1 because I want to continue using Lynx. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Given that C++ has pointers and typecasts, it's really hard to have a serious conversation abo

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr

2009-06-02 Thread Aahz
iscussion so far, I think that cure would at this time be worse than the disease. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ my-python-code-runs-5x-faster-this-month-thanks-to-dumping-$2K- on-a-new-

Re: [Python-Dev] Arguments of MatchObject in re module

2009-05-27 Thread Aahz
f the first argument should be "string", yet it's "pattern". > Does anyone know if it's anything other than a mistake? Should it be > fixed in the next version of the re module, or are we just stuck with it > (and should just change the docstring

[Python-Dev] FWD: python-checkins is down

2009-05-25 Thread Aahz
- Forwarded message from Ralf Hildebrandt - > Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:59:32 +0200 > From: Ralf Hildebrandt > To: Patrick Ben Koetter > Cc: Aahz , postmas...@python.org > Subject: Re: FWD: Re: [Python-Dev] python-checkins is down > > * Patrick Ben Koetter : &g

Re: [Python-Dev] python-checkins is down

2009-05-25 Thread Aahz
that the commits are landing? (I.e. is svn working properly?) Also, if you could double-check the python-checkins archives to see whether it's just you not getting the messages, that would help. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "A f

Re: [Python-Dev] FWD: FTP URLs for Python source

2009-05-24 Thread Aahz
On Sat, May 23, 2009, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > > We cannot add an FTP URL to the download page, because we don't > run an ftp server anymore, and don't plan to. That's the critical bit. At this point, I don't think anything else need

[Python-Dev] FWD: FTP URLs for Python source

2009-05-23 Thread Aahz
ly, > > Doug > > --- > Douglas W. Goodall > 425 San Juanico Street > Santa Maria, CA 93455 > (805) 598-9099 > http://www.goodall.com > > I call on each of us to pray for our president. > He is who we have for the next four years, > and we need him to be succes

Re: [Python-Dev] distutils.build_ext path comparison - python 2.5.2

2009-05-20 Thread Aahz
t Python 2.5 is now accepting only security patches, so please check whether 2.6 and trunk need it. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored

Re: [Python-Dev] doc error in 2.6.2

2009-05-15 Thread Aahz
on.org -- that ensures that it won't get lost. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "In 1968 it took the computing power of 2 C-64's to fly a rocket to the moon. Now, in 1998 it takes the Power of a Pentium 200 to run Microsoft

Re: [Python-Dev] Should collections.Counter check for int?

2009-05-13 Thread Aahz
n bugs.python.org so that there's a record of this issue. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "It is easier to optimize correct code than to correct optimized code." --Bill Harlan ___ Pyth

[Python-Dev] Switchover: mail.python.org

2009-05-11 Thread Aahz
On Monday 2009-05-11, mail.python.org will be switched to another machine starting roughly at 14:00 UTC. This should be invisible (expected downtime is less than ten minutes). -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "It is easier to optimize c

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding a "sysconfig" module in the stdlib

2009-05-07 Thread Aahz
t it should contain. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "It is easier to optimize correct code than to correct optimized code." --Bill Harlan ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] using help function in Py3k

2009-05-05 Thread Aahz
On Tue, May 05, 2009, s|s wrote: > > I Ran Python 3.0 for the first time. I used help() function and wrote > "modules hash". It issues an error. Please file a report on bugs.python.org -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/

Re: [Python-Dev] RFC: Threading-Aware Profiler for Python

2009-05-04 Thread Aahz
please subscribe to python-ideas and repost your message. Generally speaking, in order to include modules like this, they need to prove themselves over time and may require PEP approval. If you choose to move the discussion to python-ideas, it would help if you mention known uses of yo

[Python-Dev] FWD: svn down?

2009-05-02 Thread Aahz
- Forwarded message from "\"Martin v. L?wis\"" - > Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 08:18:56 +0200 > From: "\"Martin v. L?wis\"" > To: Aahz > CC: pydot...@python.org > Subject: Re: [Pydotorg] FWD: [Python-Dev] svn down? > >> Benja

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 383: Non-decodable Bytes in System Character Interfaces

2009-04-30 Thread Aahz
, I'd be glad to > rework them to remove those misconceptions. > > * It would be nice to point out that invariant in the PEP, also. > > > -- > Glenn -- http://nevcal.com/ > === > A protocol is complete when there is nothing left to remove. &g

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 383 (again)

2009-04-29 Thread Aahz
a good summary -- remember that PEPs are not just for the time that they are written, but also for the future. While telling people to "read the source, Luke" makes some sense at a specific point in time, I don't think that requiring a trawl through code history is fair. And,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 383: Non-decodable Bytes in System Character Interfaces

2009-04-29 Thread Aahz
> string) that knows where it came from and is also handily > recognisable as not-really-a-string for purposes of deciding > whether is it PEP-funny-encoded by direct inspection. Assuming people agree that this is an accurate summary, it should be incorporated into the PEP. --

Re: [Python-Dev] Installing Python 2.5.4 from Source under Windows

2009-04-29 Thread Aahz
that says how to install what has been built. I have read > every readme and stop by the IRC channel and there seems to be nothing. > > Any ideas where I can look? Please use comp.lang.python -- python-dev is for discussion of core development. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncra

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 383: Non-decodable Bytes in System?Character?Interfaces

2009-04-27 Thread Aahz
in >> your mail pipeline). > > Besides, I don't care about spammers and their broken software. Maybe you don't, but anyone who has to process random messages does; you have to assume that messages will be broken. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug tracker down?

2009-04-26 Thread Aahz
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009, Mark Dickinson wrote: > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Aahz wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009, Mark Dickinson wrote: >>> >>> The bugs.python.org site seems to be down. >> >> Dunno -- forwarded to the people who can do something abou

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug tracker down?

2009-04-26 Thread Aahz
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009, Mark Dickinson wrote: > > The bugs.python.org site seems to be down. Dunno -- forwarded to the people who can do something about it. (There's a migration to a new mailserver going on, but I don't think this is related.) -- Aahz (a...

Re: [Python-Dev] "Length of str " changes after passed in Python 2.5

2009-04-24 Thread Aahz
e -> 11 > # I had to workaround it This sounds like a usage question. Please use comp.lang.python (or possibly the tutor mailing list). -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to d

Re: [Python-Dev] Tuples and underorderable types

2009-04-24 Thread Aahz
and clearly summarize all previous discussion prior to 3.0 release, then go through the usual grind of starting with python-ideas before coming back to python-dev. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you think it's expensive to hire

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 383: Non-decodable Bytes in System Character Interfaces

2009-04-24 Thread Aahz
mounted across OSes (e.g. NFS). While I agree that there should be a layer on top that can handle "most" situations, it also seems clear that the raw layer needs to be readily accessible. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you

Re: [Python-Dev] Suggested doc patch for tarfile

2009-04-23 Thread Aahz
tch to bugs.python.org -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." --Red Adair ___ Python-

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue5434: datetime.monthdelta

2009-04-17 Thread Aahz
l-accepted code out in the community or a PEP for Guido to pronounce on (or probably both, in the end). I've set followups to python-ideas for convenience. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you think it's expensive to hire a p

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 382: Namespace Packages

2009-04-15 Thread Aahz
ing bystanders that > there's some genuine controversy here as well. For the benefit of us bystanders, could you summarize your vote at this point? Given the PEP's intended goals, if you do not oppose the PEP, are there any changes you think should be made? -- Aahz (a...@pythoncra

Re: [Python-Dev] How do I update http://www.python.org/dev/faq?

2009-04-11 Thread Aahz
to request commit access to the website. Otherwise, please send your suggested updates to pydotorg. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups? ___ P

Re: [Python-Dev] Dropping bytes "support" in json

2009-04-10 Thread Aahz
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Michael Foord wrote: >> >> Shouldn't headers always be text? > > /me weeps /me hands Barry a hankie -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Why is t

Re: [Python-Dev] Dropping bytes "support" in json

2009-04-09 Thread Aahz
I'm not entirely certain the default shouldn't be bytes: consider an HTML attachment that you want to compare against the output from a webserver. Still, as long as it's easy to get bytes for text payloads, I think overall I'm still leaning toward unicode for them. -- Aa

Re: [Python-Dev] BLOBs in Pg

2009-04-09 Thread Aahz
seless. My current belief is that this something is > fairly deeply embedded in the PostgreSQL engine. No "syntax" should be > necessary. You're not using a parameterized query. I suggest you post to c.l.py for more information. ;-) -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <

Re: [Python-Dev] Rethinking intern() and its data structure

2009-04-09 Thread Aahz
In general, the core Python implementation strives for simplicity, so there's already some built-in pushback. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups? __

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding new features to Python 2.x (PEP 382: Namespace Packages)

2009-04-09 Thread Aahz
le will continue making do for years after any formal support is dropped. Whether this warrants including PEP 382 in 2.x, I don't know; I still don't really understand this proposal. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.python

[Python-Dev] Update PEP 374 (DVCS)

2009-04-08 Thread Aahz
Someone listed this URL on c.l.py and I thought it would make a good reference addition to PEP 374 (DVCS decision): http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/version-control/version-control.html -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "...string iter

Re: [Python-Dev] calling dictresize outside dictobject.c

2009-04-07 Thread Aahz
r the capi-sig list. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "...string iteration isn't about treating strings as sequences of strings, it's about treating strings as sequences of characters. The fact that characters are also strings

Re: [Python-Dev] Shorter float repr in Python 3.1?

2009-04-07 Thread Aahz
erty that eval(repr(x)) == x, and proposed > changing Python accordingly. See > > http://bugs.python.org/issue1580 Sounds good to me! -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "...string iteration isn't about treating strings

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial?

2009-04-07 Thread Aahz
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 16:29, Aahz wrote: >> >> What you apparently are unaware of is that "Aahz" is in fact my full >> legal name. (Which was clearly the point of Steven's post since he knows >> that Telle

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial?

2009-04-07 Thread Aahz
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 13:42, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >> Perhaps you should ask Aahz what he thinks about being forced to provide >> two names before being allowed to contribute. Thanks for speaking up! I'm no

[Python-Dev] FWD: Library Reference is incomplete

2009-04-06 Thread Aahz
Heinz Walter Berens (Vors.), R?diger Buyten > Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Peter Landmann - End forwarded message - -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "...string iteration isn't about treating strings as sequences of strings, it's

[Python-Dev] FWD: Documentation site problems

2009-04-06 Thread Aahz
2 +0200 > > Hi, > > there contents is missing from the python tutorial: > http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ > > BR > /Ernst Persson - End forwarded message - -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "...string iteration is

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial?

2009-04-05 Thread Aahz
stem and maybe switch to kernel-style once people get comfortable with Hg? -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "...string iteration isn't about treating strings as sequences of strings, it's about treating strings as sequences of

Re: [Python-Dev] BufferedReader.peek() ignores its argument

2009-04-04 Thread Aahz
size. If that's the case, there should be a record somewhere in the list archives... (Or possibly the svn logs.) -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you wri

[Python-Dev] Mercurial?

2009-04-04 Thread Aahz
With Brett's (hopefully temporary!) absence, who is spearheading the Mercurial conversion? Whoever it is should probably take over PEP 374 and start updating it with the conversion plan, particularly WRT expectations for dates relative to 3.1 final and 2.7 final. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraf

Re: [Python-Dev] PyDict_SetItem hook

2009-04-04 Thread Aahz
s that something you might be interested in > contributing to? As performance moves more into the wider > consciousness, having good tools will become increasingly important. GSoC work? -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Debugging is twi

Re: [Python-Dev] CSV, bytes and encodings

2009-04-01 Thread Aahz
#x27;t work using 'rb') > > Please file a bug report and assign to me. Does it work in 2.x? What was > the source of the file? Perhaps there have been changes, but in my last job, I was running into this problem with Python 2.3, and I also needed to open with 'rU&#x

Re: [Python-Dev] And the winner is...

2009-03-30 Thread Aahz
comes from the timing. Combine that with Guido's previous post about the Van Lindberg clause... -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write t

Re: [Python-Dev] Evaluated cmake as an autoconf replacement

2009-03-29 Thread Aahz
Nice report! Thanks! -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.&

Re: [Python-Dev] Unladen-Swallow: A faster python

2009-03-28 Thread Aahz
ecause i was concerned about how the discussion > groups had evolved). There certainly was no such accusation. You said that c.l.py was in "decline" (your own word), and I made reference to the ancient "Usenet is dead, news at 11" meme. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.la

Re: [Python-Dev] Roundup / Python Tracker enhancements

2009-03-24 Thread Aahz
's repositories, but many instance-level changes would be > specific to our tracker. Is this for GSoC? If yes, please make sure to include that tag in the Subject: line to make it easier to track. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ &qu

Re: [Python-Dev] About adding a new iterator method called "shuffled"

2009-03-24 Thread Aahz
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009, Roy Hyunjin Han wrote: > > I know that Python has iterator methods called "sorted" and "reversed" and > these are handy shortcuts. > > Why not add a new iterator method called "shuffled"? Please do not post ideas like this to py

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal: new list function: pack

2009-03-20 Thread Aahz
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009, paul bedaride wrote: > > I propose a new function for list for pack values of a list and > sliding over them: Please switch this discussion to python-ideas -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Programming la

Re: [Python-Dev] What level of detail wanted for import and the language reference?

2009-03-16 Thread Aahz
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009, Michael Foord wrote: > > Personally I would rather see the import semantics themselves in the > language reference. Either way is fine with me, but it needs to be cross-referenced. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraf

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 377 - allow __enter__() methods to skip the statement body

2009-03-15 Thread Aahz
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009, Michael Foord wrote: > Aahz wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009, Michael Foord wrote: >>> >>> Note that using exceptions for control flow can be bad for other >>> implementations of Python. For example exceptions on the .NET >>

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 377 - allow __enter__() methods to skip the statement body

2009-03-15 Thread Aahz
m for halting ``for`` loops. (Not that it was really a new decision because parts of the Python community have always advocated using exceptions for control flow, but the ``for`` loop enshrines it.) I doubt that using exceptions for control flow in ``with`` blocks will cause anywhere near so much a

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-13 Thread Aahz
ne-grained synching, and people are discussing how Python should support various use-cases. Please don't be too aggressive about labeling discussion off-topic. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer scien

Re: [Python-Dev] Ext4 data loss

2009-03-11 Thread Aahz
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009, Scott Dial wrote: > Aahz wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >>> After Hrvoje's message, let me rephrase my suggestion. Let's instead allow: >>>open(..., sync_on="close") >>>open(..., sy

Re: [Python-Dev] Ext4 data loss

2009-03-11 Thread Aahz
That looks good, though I'd prefer using named constants rather than strings. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson _

Re: [Python-Dev] More on Py3K urllib -- urlencode()

2009-03-10 Thread Aahz
ng. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? Second, please follow the advice to put ALL patches on the tracker. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of

Re: [Python-Dev] More on Py3K urllib -- urlencode()

2009-03-09 Thread Aahz
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009, Dan Mahn wrote: > > Any suggestions would be welcome before I try to submit this as a patch. Just go ahead and submit it now; it's easier to review patches when they're in the system, and it also makes sure that it won't get lost. -- Aahz

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 3.1 alpha 1

2009-03-07 Thread Aahz
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > On behalf of the Python development team and the Python community, I'm > happy to announce the first alpha release of Python 3.1. Congratulations on your first baby! Here's to hoping you release many more of these! -- Aahz (a

Re: [Python-Dev] IMAP/POP3 servers on python.org?

2009-03-07 Thread Aahz
irable to ship Twisted as part of the testing source tree. Yes, I realize that it could create an "attractive nuisance", but I think the gains in simplifying testing outweigh that. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in com

Re: [Python-Dev] Belated introduction

2009-03-07 Thread Aahz
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009, rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: > > So, a little belatedly, here is my intro. [...] > > --RDM Welcome! You apparently haven't set your $NAME nor listed a name in your .sig, so how do you prefer to be addressed? Or do you just prefer your initials, like RMS?

Re: [Python-Dev] More on Py3K urllib -- urlencode()

2009-03-07 Thread Aahz
ly propose at least some of these > modifications. Submit a patch to bugs.python.org -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level o

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: require python rpms for fc8

2009-02-27 Thread Aahz
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009, shashidhar velagandula wrote: > > [...] python-dev is the wrong place for this kind of question, please use comp.lang.python In addition, it's not even clear what your question is, please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- Aahz (a...@pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] A suggestion: Do proto-PEPs in Google Docs

2009-02-26 Thread Aahz
For me, the big barrier to Google docs is the requirement to fire up a GUI browser and log into Google. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the firs

Re: [Python-Dev] Choosing a best practice solution for Python/extension modules

2009-02-22 Thread Aahz
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 20:12, Aahz wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote: >>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 15:46, Aahz wrote: >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote: >>>>> >>>>&

Re: [Python-Dev] Choosing a best practice solution for Python/extension modules

2009-02-21 Thread Aahz
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 15:46, Aahz wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009, Brett Cannon wrote: >>> >>> I am seeing two approaches emerging. One is where pickle contains all >>> Python code and then uses something lik

Re: [Python-Dev] Choosing a best practice solution for Python/extension modules

2009-02-21 Thread Aahz
g from the application. (The module checks to see whether it's listed in sys.python_only.) Maybe we should move this discussion to python-ideas for now to kick around really oddball suggestions? -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ We

Re: [Python-Dev] Choosing a best practice solution for Python/extension modules

2009-02-20 Thread Aahz
t; not lead with an underscore for this to work. Is that really an acceptable > compromise for a simple solution like this? Doesn't __all__ control this? -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Weinberg's Seco

Re: [Python-Dev] 2 very interesting projects - Python / Finance

2009-02-17 Thread Aahz
cuss whether spamming python-dev warrants withdrawing it. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along wou

Re: [Python-Dev] smtplib violates SMTP spec

2009-02-15 Thread Aahz
27;s smtpd does not check if HELO/EHLO was received before MAIL FROM > * Therefore any extension of test_smtplib would need some patches to check > this also. If you want to increase the chance of your patch getting into 2.7/3.1, please provide a patch against smtpd in addit

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