Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-05-02 Thread Brian Quinlan
I've updated the PEP to include: - completion callbacks (for interoperability with Twisted Deferreds) - a pointer to the discussion on stdlig-sig See: http://svn.python.org/view/peps/trunk/pep-3148.txt?r1=78618r2=80679 Rejected ideas: - Having a registration system for executors Not yet

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-16 Thread Brian Quinlan
Nick Coghlan wrote: You may want to consider providing global thread and process executors in the futures module itself. Code which just wants to say do this in the background without having to manage the lifecycle of its own executor instance is then free to do so. I've had a lot of

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-16 Thread Nick Coghlan
Brian Quinlan wrote: I take it that the thread/process pool should be unlimited in size. Should every thread/process exit when it finishes its job or should there be a smarter collection strategy? I'd be inclined to do something slightly smarter, similar to what we do with memory

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-11 Thread Brian Quinlan
On 10 Mar 2010, at 23:32, Nick Coghlan wrote: Brian Quinlan wrote: Getting rid of the process-global state like this simplifies testing (both testing of the executors themselves and of application code which uses them). It also eliminates the unpleasant interpreter shutdown/module globals

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-10 Thread Brian Quinlan
On 10 Mar 2010, at 08:32, Dj Gilcrease wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:11 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: Getting rid of the process-global state like this simplifies testing (both testing of the executors themselves and of application code which uses them). It also eliminates the

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-10 Thread Brian Quinlan
On 9 Mar 2010, at 08:39, Greg Ewing wrote: Terry Reedy wrote: Looking more close, I gather that the prime results will be printed 'in order' (waiting on each even if others are done) while the url results will be printed 'as available'. Seems to me that if you care about the order of the

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-10 Thread Brian Quinlan
On 9 Mar 2010, at 08:11, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 08:56 pm, digitalx...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Dj Gilcrease digitalx...@gmail.com wrote: A style I have used in my own code in the past is a Singleton class with register and create methods, where the

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-10 Thread Brian Quinlan
On 9 Mar 2010, at 03:21, Terry Reedy wrote: On 3/6/2010 4:20 AM, Brian Quinlan wrote: On 6 Mar 2010, at 03:21, Daniel Stutzbach wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com mailto:br...@sweetapp.com wrote: import futures +1 on the idea, -1 on the name.

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-10 Thread Nick Coghlan
Brian Quinlan wrote: Getting rid of the process-global state like this simplifies testing (both testing of the executors themselves and of application code which uses them). It also eliminates the unpleasant interpreter shutdown/module globals interactions that have plagued a number of

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-10 Thread Nick Coghlan
s...@pobox.com wrote: I'm +1 on adding a nice task queuing system, -1 on calling it by any other name. ;-) Nick As Guido said, let's call the nice task queuing system futures Nick and point people wanting a full-power asynchronous process model Nick to Twisted Can

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-09 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:11:45 -, exar...@twistedmatrix.com a écrit : Getting rid of the process-global state like this simplifies testing (both testing of the executors themselves and of application code which uses them). It also eliminates the unpleasant interpreter shutdown/module

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/8/2010 4:39 PM, Greg Ewing wrote: Terry Reedy wrote: Looking more close, I gather that the prime results will be printed 'in order' (waiting on each even if others are done) while the url results will be printed 'as available'. Seems to me that if you care about the order of the results,

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-09 Thread Dj Gilcrease
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:11 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: Getting rid of the process-global state like this simplifies testing (both testing of the executors themselves and of application code which uses them).  It also eliminates the unpleasant interpreter shutdown/module globals

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-08 Thread Nick Coghlan
P.J. Eby wrote: I'm +1 on adding a nice task queuing system, -1 on calling it by any other name. ;-) As Guido said, let's call the nice task queuing system futures and point people wanting a full-power asynchronous process model to Twisted - while the Deferred API may technically be

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-08 Thread Nick Coghlan
Dj Gilcrease wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: Making the tests and examples happy on windows is fine; but some explanation is needed for the API changes. My primary motivation behind the API change is so there is just a single public Executor

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-08 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/8/2010 6:14 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: P.J. Eby wrote: I'm +1 on adding a nice task queuing system, -1 on calling it by any other name. ;-) As Guido said, let's call the nice task queuing system futures and I was confused by 'futures' also until Philip explained it as task-queue or

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-08 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/6/2010 4:20 AM, Brian Quinlan wrote: On 6 Mar 2010, at 03:21, Daniel Stutzbach wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com mailto:br...@sweetapp.com wrote: import futures +1 on the idea, -1 on the name. It's too similar to from __future__ import

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-08 Thread Dj Gilcrease
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't a factory function serve that purpose just as well? Or even just from concurrent.futures import ProcessPoolExecutor as TaskExecutor. That last form has the virtue that you can retrieve your executor from anywhere

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-08 Thread skip
I'm +1 on adding a nice task queuing system, -1 on calling it by any other name. ;-) Nick As Guido said, let's call the nice task queuing system futures Nick and point people wanting a full-power asynchronous process model Nick to Twisted Can this module at least be

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-08 Thread Dj Gilcrease
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Dj Gilcrease digitalx...@gmail.com wrote: A style I have used in my own code in the past is a Singleton class with register and create methods, where the register takes a name(string) and the class and the create method takes the name and *args, **kwargs and

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-08 Thread exarkun
On 08:56 pm, digitalx...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Dj Gilcrease digitalx...@gmail.com wrote: A style I have used in my own code in the past is a Singleton class with register and create methods, where the register takes a name(string) and the class and the create method

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-08 Thread Greg Ewing
Terry Reedy wrote: Looking more close, I gather that the prime results will be printed 'in order' (waiting on each even if others are done) while the url results will be printed 'as available'. Seems to me that if you care about the order of the results, you should be able to just wait for

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-08 Thread Greg Ewing
Dj Gilcrease wrote: executor = executors.create(NAME, *args, **kwargs) # NAME is 'process' or 'thread' by default from concurrent.futures import executors, ExecutorBase class MyExecutor(ExecutorBase): ... executors.register(NAME, MyExecutor) I don't understand the reason for using a

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-07 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Dj Gilcrease digitalx...@gmail.com wrote: After playing with the API for a while running into many issues with the examples tests crashing windows I decided to modify the API a little and fix up the examples so they dont crash windows based computers.

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-07 Thread P.J. Eby
At 02:49 PM 3/7/2010 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: P.J. Eby wrote: (Personally, I think it would be better to just drop the ambitious title and scope, and go for the nice task queue scope. I imagine, too, that in that case Jean-Paul wouldn't need to worry about it being raised as a future

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-07 Thread Jeffrey Yasskin
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:48 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 02:49 PM 3/7/2010 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: P.J. Eby wrote: (Personally, I think it would be better to just drop the ambitious title and scope, and go for the nice task queue scope.  I imagine, too, that in that

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-07 Thread P.J. Eby
At 08:39 AM 3/7/2010 -0800, Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:48 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 02:49 PM 3/7/2010 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: P.J. Eby wrote: (Personally, I think it would be better to just drop the ambitious title and scope, and go for the nice

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-07 Thread R. David Murray
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:48:09 -0500, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 02:49 PM 3/7/2010 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: I agree the PEP should just target what the current implementation provides and put whatever scope limitations are needed in the preamble text to make that clear. Yep.

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-07 Thread Jeffrey Yasskin
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:57 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 08:39 AM 3/7/2010 -0800, Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: Do you have an example of a language or library that uses the term future to refer to what you're talking about? I'm curious to see what it looks like. The wikipedia page

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-07 Thread P.J. Eby
At 10:59 AM 3/7/2010 -0800, Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: So is it that you just don't like the idea of blocking, and want to stop anything that relies on it from getting into the standard library? Um, no. As I said before, call it a parallel task queue or parallel task manager or something to that

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-07 Thread Dj Gilcrease
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: Making the tests and examples happy on windows is fine; but some explanation is needed for the API changes. My primary motivation behind the API change is so there is just a single public Executor class that you tell what

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 10:59 AM 3/7/2010 -0800, Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: So is it that you just don't like the idea of blocking, and want to stop anything that relies on it from getting into the standard library? Um, no.  As I said before,

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Brian Quinlan
On 6 Mar 2010, at 07:38, Brett Cannon wrote: The PEP says that futures.wait() should only use keyword arguments past its first positional argument, but the PEP has the function signature as ``wait(fs, timeout=None, return_when=ALL_COMPLETED)``. Should it be ``wait(fs, *, timeout=None,

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Brian Quinlan
On 6 Mar 2010, at 08:42, Jesse Noller wrote: If people agree with this; do you feel the proposal of said namespace should be a separate PEP, or piggy back on this? I don't want to piggy back on Brian's hard work. It doesn't really matter to me. We can either update this PEP to propose the

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Brian Quinlan
On 6 Mar 2010, at 09:54, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:03:02 +1100, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com a écrit : The PEP lives here: http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-3148/ Ok, here is my take on it: cancel() Attempt to cancel the call. If the call is currently being executed

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
Brian Quinlan wrote: On 6 Mar 2010, at 08:42, Jesse Noller wrote: If people agree with this; do you feel the proposal of said namespace should be a separate PEP, or piggy back on this? I don't want to piggy back on Brian's hard work. It doesn't really matter to me. We can either update

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jeffrey Yasskin writes: It seems like a good idea to follow the choice other languages have used for the name (if they tend to agree) For the record, I've conceded that point. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
Brian Quinlan wrote: IOW, as far as I can tell from the PEP, it doesn't look like you can compose futures without *global* knowledge of the application... and in and of itself, this seems to negate the PEP's own motivation to prevent duplication of parallel execution handling! That is, if I

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Daniel Stutzbach
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:43 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: You may want to consider providing global thread and process executors in the futures module itself. Code which just wants to say do this in the background without having to manage the lifecycle of its own executor

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Dj Gilcrease
I have been playing with the feedback branch of this package for py3 and there seems to be a rather serious bug in the Process version. Using the code @ http://dpaste.com/hold/168795/ When I was running in debug mode I found that as soon as p = multiprocessing.Process(

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Dj Gilcrease
I am also getting an odd error on odd error on exit Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs: TypeError: print_exception(): Exception expected for value, str found ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Dj Gilcrease digitalx...@gmail.com wrote: I have been playing with the feedback branch of this package for py3 and there seems to be a rather serious bug in the Process version. Using the code @ http://dpaste.com/hold/168795/ When I was running in debug mode I

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Ben Finney
Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org writes: I have to admit Jean-Paul's explanation a pretty convincing reason for adopting future rather than promise. But I'm with Skip, I would prefer that the module be named future rather than futures. Has anyone in this very long thread raised the

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mar 6, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org writes: I have to admit Jean-Paul's explanation a pretty convincing reason for adopting future rather than promise. But I'm with Skip, I would prefer that the module be named

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Greg Ewing
Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: The caller can't avoid the error here by querying the future, because of the problem you point out below, so I'm inclined to think that the future was already started should be a return value rather than an exception (although that may be my C++ background showing

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Greg Ewing
Phillip J. Eby wrote: while at the same time creating yet another alternative (and mutually incompatible) event loop system in the stdlib, beyond the ones that are already in asyncore, tkinter, and the various SocketServer subclasses. Aaargh... that's the *last* thing we need! I've been

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Michael Foord
On 06/03/2010 23:37, Greg Ewing wrote: Phillip J. Eby wrote: while at the same time creating yet another alternative (and mutually incompatible) event loop system in the stdlib, beyond the ones that are already in asyncore, tkinter, and the various SocketServer subclasses. Aaargh... that's

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Greg Ewing
Brian Quinlan wrote: That recommendation was designed to make it easy to change the API without breaking code. I'd don't think that recommendation makes sense anymore any I'll update the PEP. I don't think there's anything wrong with stating that the order of the arguments is not a

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Daniel Stutzbach
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.ukwrote: On 06/03/2010 23:37, Greg Ewing wrote: I've been thinking for a while that it would be a big help if there were one, standardised module in the stdlib for handling async events, and all the other gui toolkits etc.

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Greg Ewing
Michael Foord wrote: Wouldn't it have to be the Tcl event loop then? No, tcl/tk would have to be threatened with the comfy chair until it allowed itself to be spliced into the official event loop somehow. -- Greg ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread skip
Ben Has anyone in this very long thread raised the issue that Python Ben *already* uses this term for the name of a module with a totally Ben unrelated purpose; the ‘__future__’ pseudo-module? Yes, it's already come up. While not quite the same it does remind me of the

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Dj Gilcrease
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: Did you run the provided example code on windows by chance? If so, look at the multiprocessing docs, there are restrictions on windows (see the __main__ note) - not following the guidelines can result in lots of processes

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Brian Quinlan
On 7 Mar 2010, at 03:04, Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 05:32 AM 3/6/2010, Brian Quinlan wrote: Using twisted (or any other asynchronous I/O framework) forces you to rewrite your I/O code. Futures do not. Twisted's Deferred API has nothing to do with I/O. I see, you just mean the API and not the

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread exarkun
On 02:10 am, br...@sweetapp.com wrote: On 7 Mar 2010, at 03:04, Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 05:32 AM 3/6/2010, Brian Quinlan wrote: Using twisted (or any other asynchronous I/O framework) forces you to rewrite your I/O code. Futures do not. Twisted's Deferred API has nothing to do with I/O. I

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:34 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 02:10 am, br...@sweetapp.com wrote: On 7 Mar 2010, at 03:04, Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 05:32 AM 3/6/2010, Brian Quinlan wrote: Using twisted (or any other asynchronous I/O framework) forces you to rewrite your I/O code.

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Dj Gilcrease
After playing with the API for a while running into many issues with the examples tests crashing windows I decided to modify the API a little and fix up the examples so they dont crash windows based computers. http://code.google.com/p/pythonfutures/issues/detail?id=1 API Change that changes

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread P.J. Eby
At 01:10 PM 3/7/2010 +1100, Brian Quinlan wrote: On 7 Mar 2010, at 03:04, Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 05:32 AM 3/6/2010, Brian Quinlan wrote: Using twisted (or any other asynchronous I/O framework) forces you to rewrite your I/O code. Futures do not. Twisted's Deferred API has nothing to do

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
Greg Ewing wrote: The thing to consider, I think, is whether it makes sense in a large proportion of use cases to ignore the fact that the cancel failed and carry on regardless. If not, then raising an exception makes it much harder to accidentally ignore the situation. Cancelling operations

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
P.J. Eby wrote: (Personally, I think it would be better to just drop the ambitious title and scope, and go for the nice task queue scope. I imagine, too, that in that case Jean-Paul wouldn't need to worry about it being raised as a future objection to Deferreds or some such getting into the

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Calvin Spealman
A young library solving an old problem in a way that conflicts with many of the other implementations available for years and with zero apparent users in the wild is not an appropriate candidate for a PEP. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com wrote: Hi all, I

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Calvin Spealman ironfro...@gmail.com wrote: A young library solving an old problem in a way that conflicts with many of the other implementations available for years and with zero apparent users in the wild is not an appropriate candidate for a PEP. Baloney. A

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Calvin Spealman
I revert my objections. I still would like to see this in use in the wild and I might even use it thusly, myself. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Calvin Spealman ironfro...@gmail.com wrote: A young library solving an old

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Nick Coghlan
Jesse Noller wrote: The reason *why* is that I would like to also move the abstractions I have in multiprocessing *out* of that module, make them work with both threads and processes (if it makes sense) and reduce the multiprocessing module to the base primitive Process object. A concurrent

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Daniel Stutzbach
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com wrote: import futures +1 on the idea, -1 on the name. It's too similar to from __future__ import Also, the PEP should probably link to the discussions on stdlib-sig? -- Daniel Stutzbach, Ph.D. President, Stutzbach

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread skip
import futures +1 on the idea, -1 on the name.  It's too similar to from __future__ import Jesse Futures is a common term for this, and implemented named this in Jesse other languages. I don't think we should be adopting things that Jesse are common, and

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:56 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote:     import futures         +1 on the idea, -1 on the name.  It's too similar to from __future__ import        Jesse Futures is a common term for this, and implemented named this in    Jesse other languages. I don't think we

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Curt Hagenlocher
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Daniel Stutzbach dan...@stutzbachenterprises.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com wrote: import futures +1 on the idea, -1 on the name.  It's

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Daniel Stutzbach
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/concurrent/Future.html According to that link, Java has a module named Concurrent with an interface named Future. You're proposing a module named Futures with a class named

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread skip
Jesse http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/concurrent/Future.html Without reading that I can assure you that not everybody has drunk the Java Kool-Aid. Just because Sun thought it was a fine term doesn't mean everyone else will. I've been a professional programmer for about 30

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Daniel Stutzbach dan...@stutzbachenterprises.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/concurrent/Future.html  According to that link, Java has a module named Concurrent

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread exarkun
On 05:06 pm, c...@hagenlocher.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Daniel Stutzbach dan...@stutzbachenterprises.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com wrote: import futures

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Daniel Stutzbach dan...@stutzbachenterprises.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Bill Janssen
s...@pobox.com wrote: Jesse http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/concurrent/Future.html Without reading that I can assure you that not everybody has drunk the Java Kool-Aid. Just because Sun thought it was a fine term doesn't mean everyone else will. I've been a

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Bill Janssen
http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/Futures.html (1977) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:30 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 05:06 pm, c...@hagenlocher.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Daniel Stutzbach dan...@stutzbachenterprises.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread exarkun
On 07:10 pm, gu...@python.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:30 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 05:06 pm, c...@hagenlocher.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Daniel Stutzbach

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 09:55, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Daniel Stutzbach dan...@stutzbachenterprises.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jesse Noller wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Daniel Stutzbach dan...@stutzbachenterprises.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com wrote: import futures +1 on the idea, -1 on the name. It's too similar

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Brett Cannon
The PEP says that futures.wait() should only use keyword arguments past its first positional argument, but the PEP has the function signature as ``wait(fs, timeout=None, return_when=ALL_COMPLETED)``. Should it be ``wait(fs, *, timeout=None, return_when=ALL_COMPLETED)``? On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: So I don't quite get what you are after here. Are you wanting to eventually have a generic pool class that you can simply import and use that is always set to the best option for the platform? And as for moving stuff from

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:18 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: The explicit futures on the wikipedia page seems to cover what is commonly referred to as a future.  For example, Java's futures look like this. The implicit futures are what is generally called a promise.  For example, E's

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jesse Noller wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Daniel Stutzbach dan...@stutzbachenterprises.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Brian Quinlan

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jesse Noller wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Daniel Stutzbach dan...@stutzbachenterprises.com

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:03:02 +1100, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com a écrit : The PEP lives here: http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-3148/ Ok, here is my take on it: cancel() Attempt to cancel the call. If the call is currently being executed then it cannot be cancelled and the method will

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jesse Noller wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jesse Noller wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Daniel Stutzbach dan...@stutzbachenterprises.com

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Jeffrey Yasskin
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:03:02 +1100, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com a écrit : The PEP lives here: http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-3148/ Ok, here is my take on it: cancel() Attempt to cancel the call. If the call is

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Guido van Rossum writes: Future is a pretty standard CS term for this concept (as noted promise is another), I like the term promise better. Future is very generic (not now, but later), whereas a promise is something I don't get from you now, but you will give me later. The wikipedia

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
exar...@twistedmatrix.com writes: The explicit futures on the wikipedia page seems to cover what is commonly referred to as a future. For example, Java's futures look like this. The implicit futures are what is generally called a promise. For example, E's promises look like

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 01:03 AM 3/5/2010, Brian Quinlan wrote: Hi all, I recently submitted a daft PEP for a package designed to make it easier to execute Python functions asynchronously using threads and processes. It lets the user focus on their computational problem without having to build explicit

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Jeffrey Yasskin
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Phillip J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: I'm somewhat concerned that, as described, the proposed API ... [creates] yet another alternative (and mutually incompatible) event loop system in the stdlib ... Futures are a blocking construct; they don't involve

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-05 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 01:19 AM 3/6/2010, Jeffrey Yasskin wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Phillip J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: I'm somewhat concerned that, as described, the proposed API ... [creates] yet another alternative (and mutually incompatible) event loop system in the stdlib ...

[Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-04 Thread Brian Quinlan
Hi all, I recently submitted a daft PEP for a package designed to make it easier to execute Python functions asynchronously using threads and processes. It lets the user focus on their computational problem without having to build explicit thread/process pools and work queues. The