Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-21 Thread Joe Smith
Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that if there is a system Python, you shouldn't change it. Ever. Huge, big, honkin' +1 from me on that. Besides, for a system

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread fuzzyman
Bill Janssen wrote: I strongly recommend that we *NOT* make macports.org the main, official Mac OS X version of Python. Secondary is fine, but not primary. Macports is what the name says: it's a system of Mac ports of Linux packages, mostly command-line only. I agree with David about this.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Steve Holden
Leonardo Santagada wrote: -1 to use mac ports python as the base python On 18/08/2008, at 22:18, Bill Janssen wrote: The official Mac Python should be an OS X application, with an icon, living in /Applications, ideally with a Mac-standard editor app (the 2.5.1 I have has IDLE), etc. No,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Fred Drake
On Aug 19, 2008, at 3:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *thought* (relative Mac newbie), the standard advice was that if you want to install extension modules then you should install your own version of Python and not mess with the system version. My understanding is that if there is a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Fred Drake wrote: My understanding is that if there is a system Python, you shouldn't change it. Ever. Huge, big, honkin' +1 from me on that. Besides, for a system Python, you want your distribution to manage

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Jesse Noller
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 19, 2008, at 3:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *thought* (relative Mac newbie), the standard advice was that if you want to install extension modules then you should install your own version of Python and not mess

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Fred Drake
[Removed pydotorg from the recipients; this has nothing to do with the website.] On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: Just to add to this - with the advent of PEP 370[1], we now have the ability to use per-user site-packages directories. This neatly sidesteps the problem (for the

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Bill Janssen
I've certainly heard many tales of Mac users coming to grief because they decided to overwrite their system Python, or tried to be clever and run multiple interpreters (which is usually somewhat less disastrous). I guess this underlines the fact that Apple don't really want the hoi

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Bill Janssen
My understanding is that if there is a system Python, you shouldn't change it. Ever. Huge, big, honkin' +1 from me on that. Besides, for a system Python, you want your distribution to manage packages, not setuptools, otherwise you confuse -- and probably break -- your system. I

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 19, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: My understanding is that if there is a system Python, you shouldn't change it. Ever. Huge, big, honkin' +1 from me on that. Besides, for a system Python, you want your distribution to manage

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Jack Jansen
On 19-Aug-2008, at 19:28 , Bill Janssen wrote: My understanding is that if there is a system Python, you shouldn't change it. Ever. Huge, big, honkin' +1 from me on that. Besides, for a system Python, you want your distribution to manage packages, not setuptools, otherwise you confuse --

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-19 Thread Jesse Noller
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that if there is a system Python, you shouldn't change it. Ever. Huge, big, honkin' +1 from me on that. Besides, for a system Python, you want your distribution to manage packages, not setuptools,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-18 Thread Fred Drake
On Aug 18, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Steve Holden wrote: Someone told me the other day that macports made for difficult installs, but not being a Mac user I wasn't in a position to evaluate the advice. Not being a Mac user either, I've been using Mac OS X for about a year now for most of my

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 18, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Fred Drake wrote: On Aug 18, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Steve Holden wrote: Someone told me the other day that macports made for difficult installs, but not being a Mac user I wasn't in a position to evaluate the advice.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-18 Thread David Goodger
Guido van Rossum wrote: Alternatively, I just got mail from Bob Ippolito indicating that he'd be happy to hand over the domain to the PSF. It's got quite a bit more on it than Python distros, and it's a fairly popular resource for Mac users I imagine. However macports.org seems to have more

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-18 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 18, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Fred Drake wrote: On Aug 18, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Steve Holden wrote: Someone told me the other day that macports made for difficult installs, but

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-18 Thread Bill Janssen
I strongly recommend that we *NOT* make macports.org the main, official Mac OS X version of Python. Secondary is fine, but not primary. Macports is what the name says: it's a system of Mac ports of Linux packages, mostly command-line only. I agree with David about this. The official Mac

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-18 Thread Steve Holden
Bill Janssen wrote: I strongly recommend that we *NOT* make macports.org the main, official Mac OS X version of Python. Secondary is fine, but not primary. Macports is what the name says: it's a system of Mac ports of Linux packages, mostly command-line only. I agree with David about this.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Pydotorg] Should we help pythonmac.org?

2008-08-18 Thread Leonardo Santagada
-1 to use mac ports python as the base python On 18/08/2008, at 22:18, Bill Janssen wrote: The official Mac Python should be an OS X application, with an icon, living in /Applications, ideally with a Mac-standard editor app (the 2.5.1 I have has IDLE), etc. No, probably not. Frankly, I