Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-11-02 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/1/2017 11:06 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Another one is core-mentorship, which satisfies the same criteria; and in my view this has the added and useful property that its beneficiaries are non-core members. After that I'd do core-workflow. Honestly I'd leave python-committers alone for a

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-11-01 Thread Mariatta Wijaya
Starting with core-mentorship and then core-workflow sounds good. Let me first find out what it's going to take to do the migration. (I actually have no idea!) I've sent an email to postmaster and asked for more details :) Hope it's not too complicated... Mariatta Wijaya

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-11-01 Thread Guido van Rossum
Another one is core-mentorship, which satisfies the same criteria; and in my view this has the added and useful property that its beneficiaries are non-core members. After that I'd do core-workflow. Honestly I'd leave python-committers alone for a while, we're a curmudgeonly group. :-) On Wed, Nov

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-11-01 Thread Lukasz Langa
+1 committers > On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Nov 1, 2017, at 19:42, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> Maybe we should try it on some other list too? I know it works "in >> principle" and I'd love for all Python mailing lists to migrate, but I'd >> like to have some more

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-11-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 1, 2017, at 19:42, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > Maybe we should try it on some other list too? I know it works "in principle" > and I'd love for all Python mailing lists to migrate, but I'd like to have > some more experience with community mailing lists before tackling python-dev. What

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-11-01 Thread Guido van Rossum
Maybe we should try it on some other list too? I know it works "in principle" and I'd love for all Python mailing lists to migrate, but I'd like to have some more experience with community mailing lists before tackling python-dev. On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Nov 1, 2

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-11-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 1, 2017, at 18:49, Mariatta Wijaya wrote: > > Anything I can do to help make the migration to MM3 + HyperKitty happen? :) Thanks for the offer Mariatta! Assuming this is something we want to go through with, probably the best way to get there is to work with the postmaster, especially

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-11-01 Thread Mariatta Wijaya
Anything I can do to help make the migration to MM3 + HyperKitty happen? :) Mariatta Wijaya ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-11-01 Thread Lukasz Langa
> On Oct 30, 2017, at 4:00 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > Except of Antoine Pitrou, does everybody else like the new UI? :-) I also much prefer MM3 and HyperKitty. The old pipermail tree looks more inviting (I like the concise tree) but it's deceiving. When you actually start going through an

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-30 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 at 09:36 Mariatta Wijaya wrote: > > Except of Antoine Pitrou, does everybody else like the new UI? :-) > > I love the new UI. +1000 for migrating. > I personally prefer MM3 + HyperKitty compared to MM2 + pipermail. -Brett > > > > Mariatta Wijaya > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-30 Thread Mariatta Wijaya
> Except of Antoine Pitrou, does everybody else like the new UI? :-) I love the new UI. +1000 for migrating. Mariatta Wijaya On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Stefan Krah wrote: > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 07:46:42AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > I love MM3 and hyperkitty. But I rarely per

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-30 Thread Stefan Krah
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 07:46:42AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I love MM3 and hyperkitty. But I rarely peruse the archives -- I only go to > pipermail to get a link to a specific message from the past so I can copy > it into a current message. IIUC that functionality is actually better in > hy

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 30, 2017, at 04:00, Victor Stinner wrote: > It's really hard to design an UI liked by everyone :-) It’s impossible to design *anything* that’s liked by everyone :). > I expect that Mailman 3 is more actively developed than Mailman 2. By > the way, I hope that Mailman 3 and HyperKity supp

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-30 Thread Guido van Rossum
I love MM3 and hyperkitty. But I rarely peruse the archives -- I only go to pipermail to get a link to a specific message from the past so I can copy it into a current message. IIUC that functionality is actually better in hyperkitty because when a pipermail archive is rebuilt the message numbers c

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-30 Thread Stefan Krah
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:00:22PM +0100, Victor Stinner wrote: > Except of Antoine Pitrou, does everybody else like the new UI? :-) No, I don't like it. If there is a promise to keep an additional, MHonArc or Pipermail archive *with an implicit promise of long term support*, I don't care. Desp

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-30 Thread Paul Moore
On 30 October 2017 at 11:00, Victor Stinner wrote: > Except of Antoine Pitrou, does everybody else like the new UI? :-) As I said, I don't particularly like it, but I don't expect to need it if we get an archived-at header in the mails, and Google indexes individual mails in the archive correctly

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-30 Thread Victor Stinner
2017-10-26 12:01 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou : >> We are using Mailman 3 for the new buildbot-status mailing list and it >> works well: >> >> https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/buildbot-sta...@python.org/ >> >> I prefer to read archives with this UI, it's simpler to follow >> threads, and it'

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:42, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > Does Mailman 3 provide a NNTP interface? The NNTP interface of Gmane still > works, but it can be switched off at any time. It would be more reliable to > not depend on an unstable third-party service. I use the NNTP interface of Gmane too (

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-29 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
26.10.17 12:24, Victor Stinner пише: We are using Mailman 3 for the new buildbot-status mailing list and it works well: https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/buildbot-sta...@python.org/ I prefer to read archives with this UI, it's simpler to follow threads, and it's possible to reply on the

[Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-27 Thread Stefan Krah
Barry Warsaw wrote: > In fact, we come with plugins for mail-archive.com and MHonarc. MHonarc output is nice, practically the same as pipermail: https://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2010/12/threads.html If it is possible to enable (and maintain!) a MHonarc archive with just blue links along wi

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 27 October 2017 at 00:28, Wes Turner wrote: > > On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Paul Moore wrote: > >> So basically, what I'm asking is what would be the support for the use >> case "Find a permanent link to an archived article as fast as possible >> based on subject/author or a Google search"

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 26, 2017, at 10:01, Donald Stufft wrote: > Pipermail is *horrible* Pipermail also has a fatal flaw, and we have been hit by it several times in our past. It’s fundamental to Pipermail’s design and can’t be fixed. Fortunately, HyperKitty was designed and implemented correctly so it doe

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 26, 2017, at 06:15, Victor Stinner wrote: > I don't think that Mailman 3 gives the choice of the UI for archives. Technically, it does. Mailman 3 has a pluggable architecture and supports multiple archives enabled site-wide and opt-in by individual lists. HyperKitty is the default arch

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Wes Turner
On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/26/2017 07:28 AM, Wes Turner wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Paul Moore > wrote: > > > > On 26 October 2017 at 10:24, Victor Stinner > > > wrote: > > > We are using Mailman 3 for the new buildbot-status maili

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 10/26/2017 07:28 AM, Wes Turner wrote: > > > On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Paul Moore wrote: > > On 26 October 2017 at 10:24, Victor Stinner > wrote: > > We are using Mailman 3 for the new buildbot-status mailing list and it > > works well: > > > > > https://mai

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Wes Turner
On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Paul Moore wrote: > On 26 October 2017 at 10:24, Victor Stinner > wrote: > > We are using Mailman 3 for the new buildbot-status mailing list and it > > works well: > > > > https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/buildbot-sta...@python.org/ > > > > I prefer to rea

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 26/10/2017 à 16:01, Donald Stufft a écrit : > >> On Oct 26, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Antoine Pitrou > > wrote: >> >> The pipermail UI isn't perfect (the monthly segregation can be annoying >> as you point out), but at least it has a synthetic and easy-to-navigate >> tree vi

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Oct 26, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > The pipermail UI isn't perfect (the monthly segregation can be annoying > as you point out), but at least it has a synthetic and easy-to-navigate > tree view. Pipermail is *horrible* and it’s tree view makes things actively harder to read

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Paul Moore
On 26 October 2017 at 10:24, Victor Stinner wrote: > We are using Mailman 3 for the new buildbot-status mailing list and it > works well: > > https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/buildbot-sta...@python.org/ > > I prefer to read archives with this UI, it's simpler to follow > threads, and it's

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 26/10/2017 à 14:40, Nick Coghlan a écrit : > > If folks want to see MM3 in action with some more active lists, I'd > suggest looking at the Fedora MM3 instance, especially the main dev > list: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org> > There's a 100 messag

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 26 October 2017 at 20:19, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Le 26/10/2017 à 12:15, Victor Stinner a écrit : > > 2017-10-26 12:01 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou : > >> Is it possible to have a > >> pipermail-style UI as an alternative? > > > > I don't know pipermail. Do you have an example? > > https://mail.

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 26/10/2017 à 12:15, Victor Stinner a écrit : > 2017-10-26 12:01 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou : >> Is it possible to have a >> pipermail-style UI as an alternative? > > I don't know pipermail. Do you have an example? https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/ :-) > The main drawback of Mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Victor Stinner
2017-10-26 12:01 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou : > Is it possible to have a > pipermail-style UI as an alternative? I don't know pipermail. Do you have an example? I don't think that Mailman 3 gives the choice of the UI for archives. I didn't ask anyone to write a new software. I only proposed to use

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:24:54 +0200 Victor Stinner wrote: > > We are using Mailman 3 for the new buildbot-status mailing list and it > works well: > > https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/buildbot-sta...@python.org/ > > I prefer to read archives with this UI, it's simpler to follow > thread

[Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

2017-10-26 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, We are using Mailman 3 for the new buildbot-status mailing list and it works well: https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/buildbot-sta...@python.org/ I prefer to read archives with this UI, it's simpler to follow threads, and it's possible to reply on the web UI! To be honest, we got som