On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 18:17, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 22:57, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Maybe Nick meant ``pip
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 11:58:59 -0400
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Software integrators:
* Linux distributions and other operating system vendors
* Sumo redistributions (commercial or otherwise)
* Python based environments (PTVS, Enthought Canopy, wakari.io,
Python Anywhere, etc)
On 16 Apr 2014 21:03, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
There is an 'Installing Python on Windows' link further down the google
results that links to a fairly good page from python-guide.org, whose
first link lets you download the 2.7.6 msi. I guess that's the 32
bit version. But
Could I summarize that as software integrators build from source, while
end users use an installer? And the rest of the discussion is about which
installer (in the widest sense of the word) to recommend, where the choices
include Linux vendor distros, sumo Python distros, Mac/Win installers, as
On 18 April 2014 16:58, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
As part of thrashing out the respective distribution ecosystem roles
of pip and conda (still a work in progress), we're at least converging
on the notion that there are actually now *two* main ways of consuming
Python: as a
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 16:58, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
As part of thrashing out the respective distribution ecosystem roles
of pip and conda (still a work in progress), we're at least converging
on the notion that
On 18 April 2014 12:55, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 16:58, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
As part of thrashing out the respective distribution ecosystem roles
of pip and conda (still a work in progress), we're at least converging
on the notion that there are
On Apr 18, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
At this point, however, I'm mainly looking for consensus that there
*are* two different problems to be solved here, and solving them both
well in a single tool is likely to be nigh on impossible. (I'm aware
we're really on
On 18 April 2014 15:39, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Apr 18, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
At this point, however, I'm mainly looking for consensus that there
*are* two different problems to be solved here, and solving them both
well in a single tool is
On 18 April 2014 20:18, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
At this point, however, I'm mainly looking for consensus that there
*are* two different problems to be solved here, and solving them both
well in a single tool is likely to be nigh on impossible. (I'm aware
we're really on the
On Apr 18, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 15:39, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Apr 18, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
At this point, however, I'm mainly looking for consensus that there
*are* two different
On Apr 18, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
So I’m not really worried about a competition or anything. I’m mostly worried
about confusion of users. What you’re suggestion we give to use is *two* ways
to install Python packages (and 2 or 3 ways to virtualize a Python
On 18 April 2014 16:27, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 20:18, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
At this point, however, I'm mainly looking for consensus that there
*are* two different problems to be solved here, and solving them both
well in a single tool is likely
On 18 April 2014 16:50, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
So I’m not really worried about a competition or anything. I’m mostly worried
about confusion of users. What you’re suggestion we give to use is *two* ways
to install Python packages (and 2 or 3 ways to virtualize a Python instance).
On 18 April 2014 21:59, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
What I am advocating for is that *we are currently doing it wrong*, as
these are unlikely to be the best thing to install for most new Python
users.
For Windows users at least, I disagree. I have directed a lot of
people to the
On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 16:50, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
So I’m not really worried about a competition or anything. I’m mostly worried
about confusion of users. What you’re suggestion we give to use is *two* ways
to
On 18 April 2014 22:08, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Note that one of my requirements was that pip install foo *must* do
the right thing in conda environments (whatever we decide the right
thing means in that context).
Is this specifically a requirement for conda? Or do you expect
On 18 April 2014 17:22, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 16:50, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
So I’m not really worried about a competition or anything. I’m mostly
worried
about confusion of
On 18 April 2014 22:40, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps we can get the pip install ipython experience to a good
place faster than I currently expect, and we can duck this entire
question (at least for Windows and Mac OS X).
Huh? Last time I tried, it was pretty trivial.
pip
On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 22:40, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps we can get the pip install ipython experience to a good
place faster than I currently expect, and we can duck this entire
question (at least for Windows
Nick Coghlan wrote:
there are actually now *two* main ways of consuming
Python:
Really? We'd better do something about that. We don't want
anyone consuming Python -- we want some left over for the
rest of us!
(I'm making a serious point -- it's annoying when people use
the word consume as
On 18 April 2014 22:57, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Maybe Nick meant ``pip install ipython[all]`` but I don’t actually know what
that
includes. I’ve never used ipython except for the console.
The hard bit is the QT Console, but that's because there aren't wheels
for PySide AFAICT.
On 18 April 2014 18:16, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Nick Coghlan wrote:
there are actually now *two* main ways of consuming
Python:
Really? We'd better do something about that. We don't want
anyone consuming Python -- we want some left over for the
rest of us!
(I'm
On 18 April 2014 18:17, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 22:57, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Maybe Nick meant ``pip install ipython[all]`` but I don’t actually know what
that
includes. I’ve never used ipython except for the console.
The hard bit is the QT
On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 18:17, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 22:57, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Maybe Nick meant ``pip install ipython[all]`` but I don’t actually know
what that
includes. I’ve
On 18 April 2014 18:28, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 18:17, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 22:57, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Maybe Nick meant ``pip install
On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 18:28, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Apr 18, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 18:17, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 April 2014 22:57,
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