Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-13 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.06.2012 00:51, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: That last statement basically suggests that something like regex would never be accepted until a CPython core developer was actually running into pain with the many flaws in the re module (especially when it comes to Unicode). I disagree with

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-05 Thread MRAB
On 05/06/2012 03:40, Terry Reedy wrote: On 6/4/2012 9:22 PM, MRAB wrote: I'm not planning any further changes to regex. I think it already has enough features... Do you have any idea where regex + Python stands in regard to Unicode TR18 support levels? http://unicode.org/reports/tr18/

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
On 04.06.2012 01:28, Nick Coghlan wrote: I apologise, unmaintained is too strong a word. I mean lacking an owner sufficiently confident in their authority and expertise and with sufficient time and energy to add,or approve the addition of, substantial new features which may require significant

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-04 Thread MRAB
(I've been having trouble with my email recently, so I missed this thread amongst others.) I personally am no longer that bothered about whether the regex module makes it into stdlib, but I am still be maintaining it on PyPI. If someone else wants to integrate it I would, of course, be willing

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
MRAB wrote: I personally am no longer that bothered about whether the regex module makes it into stdlib, but I am still be maintaining it on PyPI. If someone else wants to integrate it I would, of course, be willing to help out. Are you withdrawing your offer to maintain regex in the stdlib?

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: But changes to the stdlib (bug fixes or functional changes) are very likely to run at a slower pace to what third-party packages can afford. If you continue to develop regex outside of the stdlib, that could cause

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-04 Thread MRAB
On 05/06/2012 01:31, Steven D'Aprano wrote: MRAB wrote: I personally am no longer that bothered about whether the regex module makes it into stdlib, but I am still be maintaining it on PyPI. If someone else wants to integrate it I would, of course, be willing to help out. Are you

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-04 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/4/2012 9:22 PM, MRAB wrote: I'm not planning any further changes to regex. I think it already has enough features... Do you have any idea where regex + Python stands in regard to Unicode TR18 support levels? http://unicode.org/reports/tr18/ While most of the Tailored Support Level 3

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis
On 02.06.2012 02:37, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 01/06/2012 18:27, Brett Cannon wrote: About the only thing I can think of from the language summit that we discussed doing for Python 3.3 that has not come about is accepting the regex module and getting it into the stdlib. Is this still being worked

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-03 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: ipaddress really made it in because I personally ran into the limitations of not having IP address support in the stdlib. I ended up doing quite a bit of prompting to ensure the process of cleaning up the API to modern

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-03 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: ipaddress really made it in because I personally ran into the limitations of not having IP address support in the stdlib. I ended up doing quite a bit

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-03 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: ipaddress really made it in because I personally ran into the limitations

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis
That last statement basically suggests that something like regex would never be accepted until a CPython core developer was actually running into pain with the many flaws in the re module (especially when it comes to Unicode). I disagree with that. Per the language summit, I think we need to

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis
heh. indeed. regardless, the module is available on pypi whether it goes in or not so we do at least have something to point people to when they need more than the existing undermaintained re (sre) module. I completely disagree that SRE is unmaintained. It has about monthly commits to it, to

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-03 Thread Nick Coghlan
I apologise, unmaintained is too strong a word. I mean lacking an owner sufficiently confident in their authority and expertise and with sufficient time and energy to add,or approve the addition of, substantial new features which may require significant refactoring of internal details. Perhaps

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Gregory P. Smith wrote: Per the language summit, I think we need to just do it. Put it in as re and rename the existing re module to sre. I thought that the plan was to put the regex module in as regex, leaving re unchanged for backwards compatibility, with any backwards-incompatible

[Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-01 Thread Brett Cannon
About the only thing I can think of from the language summit that we discussed doing for Python 3.3 that has not come about is accepting the regex module and getting it into the stdlib. Is this still being worked towards? ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-01 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/1/2012 1:27 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: About the only thing I can think of from the language summit that we discussed doing for Python 3.3 that has not come about is accepting the regex module and getting it into the stdlib. Is this still being worked towards? Since there is no PEP to define

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 6/1/2012 1:27 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: About the only thing I can think of from the language summit that we discussed doing for Python 3.3 that has not come about is accepting the regex module and getting it into the

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-01 Thread Nick Coghlan
ipaddress really made it in because I personally ran into the limitations of not having IP address support in the stdlib. I ended up doing quite a bit of prompting to ensure the process of cleaning up the API to modern stdlib standards didn't stall (even now, generating a module reference from the

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-01 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 01/06/2012 18:27, Brett Cannon wrote: About the only thing I can think of from the language summit that we discussed doing for Python 3.3 that has not come about is accepting the regex module and getting it into the stdlib. Is this still being worked towards? Umpteen versions of regex have

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Umpteen versions of regex have been available on pypi for years. Umpteen bugs against the original re module have been fixed.  If regex can't now go into the standard library, what on earth can? Reviewing a 4000 line