Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 540: Add a new UTF-8 mode

2017-01-07 1:06 GMT+01:00 Barry Warsaw : > For some reason it's not configured: (...) Ok, thanks for the information. > I'm not sure why that's the default inside a chroot. I found at least one good reason to use the POSIX locale to build a package: it helps to get

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 540: Add a new UTF-8 mode

2017-01-06 22:20 GMT+01:00 Barry Warsaw : >>Because I have the impression that nowadays all Linux distributions are UTF-8 >>by default and you have to show some bloody-mindedness to end up with a POSIX >>locale. > > It can still happen in some corner cases, even on Debian and

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 540: Add a new UTF-8 mode

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jan 06, 2017, at 07:22 AM, Stephan Houben wrote: > >>Because I have the impression that nowadays all Linux distributions are UTF-8 >>by default and you have to show some bloody-mindedness to end up with a POSIX >>locale. >

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 540: Add a new UTF-8 mode

On Jan 06, 2017, at 07:22 AM, Stephan Houben wrote: >Because I have the impression that nowadays all Linux distributions are UTF-8 >by default and you have to show some bloody-mindedness to end up with a POSIX >locale. It can still happen in some corner cases, even on Debian and Ubuntu where

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 540: Add a new UTF-8 mode

On Jan 05, 2017, at 05:50 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: >I guess that all users and most developers are more in the "UNIX mode" >camp. *If* we want to change the default, I suggest to use the "UNIX >mode" by default. FWIW, it seems to be a general and widespread recommendation to always pass

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 540: Add a new UTF-8 mode

On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 10:15:52AM +0900, INADA Naoki wrote: > >> Always use UTF-8 > >> > >> > >> Python already always use the UTF-8 encoding on Mac OS X, Android and > >> Windows. > >> Since UTF-8 became the defacto encoding, it makes sense to always

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 540: Add a new UTF-8 mode

2017-01-06 10:50 GMT+01:00 M.-A. Lemburg : > Victor: I think you are taking the UTF-8 idea a bit too far. Hum, sorry, the PEP is still a draft, the rationale is far from perfect yet. Let me try to simplify the issue: users are unable to configure a locale for various reasons and

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 540: Add a new UTF-8 mode

2017-01-06 7:22 GMT+01:00 Stephan Houben : > How common is this problem? Last 2 or 3 years, I don't recall having be bitten by such issue. On the bug tracker, new issues are opened infrequently. * http://bugs.python.org/issue19977 opened at 2013-12-13, closed at 2014-04-27

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 540: Add a new UTF-8 mode

On 06.01.2017 04:32, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 6 January 2017 at 12:37, Victor Stinner wrote: >> 2017-01-06 3:10 GMT+01:00 Stephen J. Turnbull >> : >>> I've quoted Victor out of context, and his other posts make me very >>> doubtful

Re: [Python-ideas] incremental hashing in __hash__

On 6 January 2017 at 07:26, Neil Girdhar wrote: > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:07 AM Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: >> >> Neil Girdhar writes: >> >> > I don't understand this? How is providing a default method in an >> > abstract base

Re: [Python-ideas] incremental hashing in __hash__

Neil Girdhar writes: > I don't understand this? How is providing a default method in an > abstract base class a pessimization? If it happens to be slower > than the code in the current methods, it can still be overridden. How often will people override until it's bitten them? How many

Re: [Python-ideas] incremental hashing in __hash__

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:07 AM Stephen J. Turnbull < turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > Neil Girdhar writes: > > > I don't understand this? How is providing a default method in an > > abstract base class a pessimization? If it happens to be slower > > than the code in the current