Re: [Python-ideas] Defining an easily installable "Recommended baseline package set"

2017-11-01 Thread Guido van Rossum
Good write-ups. Though it sounds like idna should just be moved into the stdlib. (Agreed that for things like this codecs are not a great idea.) We have other things that must be updated whenever the Unicode standard changes and it seems that doing this in feature releases is typically fine, and

Re: [Python-ideas] Defining an easily installable "Recommended baseline package set"

2017-11-01 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Can you write 1-2 paragraphs with the argument for each? > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> - lxml My impression (probably others are more knowledgeable) is that lxml has

Re: [Python-ideas] Membership of infinite iterators

2017-11-01 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 2 November 2017 at 04:29, Koos Zevenhoven wrote: > SPOILER ALERT! At the moment, Nick's statement is in fact **always** true > in **all** cases (at least when ignoring untypical cases and some > inaccuracies in phrasing). ​Another question is whether the statement >

Re: [Python-ideas] install pip packages from Python prompt

2017-11-01 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/1/2017 5:47 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: When pip installs a package into site_packages, does it at any point run  package-specific installation code?  setup.py?  More specifically, can pip install an IDLE extension. If so, I think installing pipgui should add 'x_pipgui.py' to idlelib, if it

Re: [Python-ideas] install pip packages from Python prompt

2017-11-01 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/1/2017 3:06 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: On 11/1/2017 1:25 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 1 November 2017 at 08:50, Terry Reedy > wrote:     In April 2016, after posting the idea to pydev list and getting 'go     ahead's from Nick Coughlin and someone

Re: [Python-ideas] Hello from a new lurker

2017-11-01 Thread Ethan Furman
On 11/01/2017 10:49 AM, brent bejot wrote: The python-dev website said I should introduce myself before lurking around for a while. So hi! I've been using python for 7 or so years now, live on the east coast of the U.S., grew up in Nebraska, and occasionally play the tuba and table-top

[Python-ideas] Hello from a new lurker

2017-11-01 Thread brent bejot
Hello everyone, The python-dev website said I should introduce myself before lurking around for a while. So hi! I've been using python for 7 or so years now, live on the east coast of the U.S., grew up in Nebraska, and occasionally play the tuba and table-top games (through rarely together).

Re: [Python-ideas] install pip packages from Python prompt

2017-11-01 Thread Wes Turner
On Wednesday, November 1, 2017, Steve Barnes wrote: > > > On 01/11/2017 06:54, Wes Turner wrote: > > Suggestions to help to minimize unnecessary logged bandwidth use and > > even work with a closed loop LAN: > > > > This reads from the filesystem: > > > > import

Re: [Python-ideas] install pip packages from Python prompt

2017-11-01 Thread Wes Turner
On Wednesday, November 1, 2017, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 11/1/2017 2:54 AM, Wes Turner wrote: > > A Tk GUI for pip would need to frustratingly duplicate ~/.bash_history and >> up-arrow to get the previous command. >> > > No it wouldn't, as the user would not be directly issuing

Re: [Python-ideas] install pip packages from Python prompt

2017-11-01 Thread Steve Barnes
On 01/11/2017 06:54, Wes Turner wrote: > Suggestions to help to minimize unnecessary logged bandwidth use and > even work with a closed loop LAN: > > This reads from the filesystem: > >     import requests > > This would read from the PyPi service over the network bandwidth: > >    #!pip

Re: [Python-ideas] install pip packages from Python prompt

2017-11-01 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/1/2017 2:54 AM, Wes Turner wrote: A Tk GUI for pip would need to frustratingly duplicate ~/.bash_history and up-arrow to get the previous command. No it wouldn't, as the user would not be directly issuing pip commands. In any case, it would be trivial to keep a list of the pip commands

Re: [Python-ideas] install pip packages from Python prompt

2017-11-01 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/1/2017 1:25 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 1 November 2017 at 08:50, Terry Reedy > wrote: In April 2016, after posting the idea to pydev list and getting 'go ahead's from Nick Coughlin and someone else, with no negatives, I approved

Re: [Python-ideas] install pip packages from Python prompt

2017-11-01 Thread Wes Turner
Suggestions to help to minimize unnecessary logged bandwidth use and even work with a closed loop LAN: This reads from the filesystem: import requests This would read from the PyPi service over the network bandwidth: #!pip install -U requests #%run pip install -U requests