Re: [Python-ideas] Reminder about intent of messages (Was: Syntactic sugar to declare partial functions)

2018-08-12 Thread Neil Girdhar
I don't really want to get involved in this, but I feel like everyone is piling up on Abe unfairly. On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:14 AM Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > Now that the discussion has officially devolved into something that has > absolutely nothing to do with the original topic, I'd like to point

Re: [Python-ideas] Reminder about intent of messages (Was: Syntactic sugar to declare partial functions)

2018-08-12 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
it becomes "toxic" only after off-topic. fine list needs just a reminder from time to time ! Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ Mauritius ___ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listin

Re: [Python-ideas] Syntactic sugar to declare partial functions

2018-08-12 Thread Abe Dillon
[Chris Angelico] > lst.onselect = anonfunc(print(target_item)) > What's target_item? If you can't see the signature and see that it's a > parameter, you should look externally for it. If you're not even going to read the explanation I've already given, then I have no reason to respond. Your exam

[Python-ideas] Reminder about intent of messages (Was: Syntactic sugar to declare partial functions)

2018-08-12 Thread Ryan Gonzalez
Now that the discussion has officially devolved into something that has absolutely nothing to do with the original topic, I'd like to point out something: (Note that I have no affiliation with the managers of this mailing list at all and am just posting this as an outsider.) In Steven D'Aprano's o

Re: [Python-ideas] Syntactic sugar to declare partial functions

2018-08-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Abe Dillon wrote: > [Chris Angelico] >> >> Also, the signature is most decidedly NOT obvious from context > > Who decided this? It's been decided by some committee? When you write a key > function, you don't know how many arguments are going to be passed? lst.onse

Re: [Python-ideas] Syntactic sugar to declare partial functions

2018-08-12 Thread Abe Dillon
[Alex Walters] > He is questioning the concept that the lambda keyword has caused any > harm. You assert that it caused minor harm. Minor harm can still be real, > significant, and non-trivial. What, exactly, is the difference between "minor" and "non-trivial" and when did I say the harm was "s

Re: [Python-ideas] Syntactic sugar to declare partial functions

2018-08-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Abe Dillon wrote: > [Steven D'Aprano] >> >> Just because I challenge your statements doesn't mean I'm attacking you. > > > No. Telling me I'm having an extreme overreaction means you're attacking me. If your reaction was extreme, saying so isn't attacking you. >

Re: [Python-ideas] Syntactic sugar to declare partial functions

2018-08-12 Thread Alex Walters
> [Steven D'Aprano] > > > You've said that the choice of keyword, "lambda", has caused harm. > Given > the chance to clarify what you meant, you stood by your comment > that the > choice of keyword "lambda" has done real, significant, non-trivial > harm > to Python (the la

Re: [Python-ideas] Syntactic sugar to declare partial functions

2018-08-12 Thread Abe Dillon
[Steven D'Aprano] > Just because I challenge your statements doesn't mean I'm attacking you. No. Telling me I'm having an extreme overreaction means you're attacking me. Pushing the narrative that I'm irrational by enumerating the least charitable interpretations of my words possible then claimi

Re: [Python-ideas] Syntactic sugar to declare partial functions

2018-08-12 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Answering a few of Abe's comments out of order... On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 05:20:25PM -0500, Abe Dillon wrote: > I didn't realize I'd hit such a nerve. [...] I'm truly sorry > if I hurt your feelings. [...] > But you seem to have some grudge against me. I don't get all the > outrage over what I tho