Steve Dower writes:
> ISTM that changing sys.getfilesystemencoding() on Windows to
> "utf-8" and updating path_converter() (Python/posixmodule.c;
I think this proposal requires the assumption that strings intended to
be interpreted as file names invariably come from the Windows APIs. I
don't t
On Fri Aug 12 19:03:38 EDT 2016 Victor Stinner wrote:
> For the Windows console: I played with all Windows functions, tried all
> fonts and many code pages. I also read technical blog articles of Microsoft
> employees. I gave up on this issue. It doesn't seem possible to support
> fully Unicode th
Stephen J. Turnbull writes:
> The exception is the proposed console changes, because there you *do*
> perform all I/O with OS APIs. But I don't know anything about the
> Windows console except that nobody seems happy with it.
>
> I'm quite happy with it. I mean, it's far from perfect, and when yo
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016, at 04:12, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Steve Dower writes:
> > ISTM that changing sys.getfilesystemencoding() on Windows to
> > "utf-8" and updating path_converter() (Python/posixmodule.c;
>
> I think this proposal requires the assumption that strings intended to
> be inter
None seems reasonable. But it does require some conditional checks rather
than the simplest min-of-max. Not a bad answer, just something to be
explicit about.
On Aug 12, 2016 8:44 PM, "Chris Angelico" wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:31 PM, MRAB wrote:
> > On 2016-08-13 00:48, David Mertz wro
I have been a subscriber only for few weeks now but I dont like the mailing
list at all. First, I get all the topics even tho Windows encoding is not
of my interest. Second, most of the text is auto quotes anyway. Third,
editing posts can sometimes be helpful, for correcting typos and such.
I thin
To ease the struggle of pressing "Mark as read" every time an uninteresting
email arrives, look for "Mute" button. In Gmail it's under "More" drop-down.
Apart from that, I completely agree. Maybe not necessarily GitHub, but
something similar that's not email lists.
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 9:31 PM
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:31 AM, Arek Bulski wrote:
> I have been a subscriber only for few weeks now but I dont like the mailing
> list at all. First, I get all the topics even tho Windows encoding is not of
> my interest. Second, most of the text is auto quotes anyway. Third, editing
> posts ca
I don't have time to respond at length, but I would just like to mention
that I'm actually pretty tired of email threads getting off the rails and
wouldn't mind looking at other approaches, including possibly a dedicated
GitHub tracker (*not* the cpython or peps repo's tracker). There are other
pos
Hi! Let me completely disagree.
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 04:31:06PM +0200, Arek Bulski
wrote:
> I have been a subscriber only for few weeks now but I dont like the mailing
> list at all. First, I get all the topics even tho Windows encoding is not
> of my interest. Second, most of the text is aut
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 06:36:06PM +0200, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> Hi! Let me completely disagree.
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 04:31:06PM +0200, Arek Bulski
> wrote:
> > I have been a subscriber only for few weeks now but I dont like the mailing
> > list at all. First, I get all the topics even t
> On Aug 13, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>
> The advantages of email:
I think one of the big trade offs here, is that the traditional mailing list
can work very well if everyone involved takes the time to develop a custom tool
chain that fits their own workflow perfectly and if t
Just a heads-up that I've assigned http://bugs.python.org/issue1602 to
myself and started a patch for the console changes. Let's move the
console discussion back over there.
Hopefully it will show up in 3.6.0b1, but if you're prepared to apply a
patch and test on Windows, feel free to grab my
Praise the guide! (Guido)
GitHub issues are also delivered by email, with full post content. Guido
and others will be satisfied. And mailing lists also send you messages in
whatever freakin interface they provide it. And on my android gmail app it
aint pretty. Most of it is auto replies in plain
On 13Aug2016 0523, Random832 wrote:
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016, at 04:12, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Steve Dower writes:
> ISTM that changing sys.getfilesystemencoding() on Windows to
> "utf-8" and updating path_converter() (Python/posixmodule.c;
I think this proposal requires the assumption that s
Good addition, makes me think. Thank you!
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 01:16:01PM -0400, Donald Stufft
wrote:
>
> > On Aug 13, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> >
> > The advantages of email:
>
> I think one of the big trade offs here, is that the traditional mailing list
> can work very
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Arek Bulski
wrote:
> Praise the guide! (Guido)
>
> ???GitHub issues are also delivered by email, with full post content. Guido
> and others will be satisfied.
I wouldn't be satisfied without the ability to answer to this
messages by email.
Our bu
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 07:40:41PM +0200, Arek Bulski
wrote:
> And mailing lists also send you messages in
> whatever freakin interface they provide it. And on my android gmail app it
> aint pretty.
In my not so humble opinion, web interfaces, especially mobile ones,
are even less pretty.
>
> On Aug 13, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>
>>
>> As Donald pointed out, there are people who are not going to create
>> custom email processing toolchains.
>
> In what way they will be helpful to the development of Python?
> Contributors have to install, learn, configure and use a
I find email list VASTLY easier to deal with than any newfangled web-based
custom discussion forum. Part of that is that it is a uniform interface to
every list I belong too, and I can choose my own MUA. With all those web
things, every site works a little bit different from every other one, that
i
Random832 writes:
> And what's going to happen if you shovel those bytes into the
> filesystem without conversion on Linux, or worse, OSX?
Off topic. See Subject: field.
> This proposal embodies an assumption that bytes from unknown sources
> used as filenames are more likely to be UTF-8 th
On 08/13/2016 03:44 PM, David Mertz wrote:
I find email list VASTLY easier to deal with than any newfangled web-based
custom discussion forum. Part of that is that it is a uniform interface to
every list I belong too, and I can choose my own MUA. With all those web
things, every site works a litt
„I think that just making it easier for new contributors
will not help with getting good and dedicated contributors.”
This is exactly what Donald was talking about. You are creating an obstacle
course for people to go through before they can contribute anything. I totally
agree that we need *go
Far be it from me to damp your enthusiasm, but it seems to me that the
functionality of a clamp function is so simple, and yet has so many
possible variations, that it's not worth providing it.
I.e., it's probably quicker for someone to write their own version
(typically <= 4 lines of code) th
The last point is correct: if you get bytes from a file system API, you should
be able to pass them back in without losing information. CP_ACP (a.k.a. the *A
API) does not allow this, so I'm proposing using the *W API everywhere and
encoding to utf-8 when the user wants/gives bytes.
Top-posted
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Arkadiusz Bulski
wrote:
> „I think that just making it easier for new contributors
>
> will not help with getting good and dedicated contributors.”
>
>
>
> This is exactly what Donald was talking about. You are creating an
> obstacle course for people to go throug
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 at 11:39 Donald Stufft wrote:
>
> > On Aug 13, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> As Donald pointed out, there are people who are not going to create
> >> custom email processing toolchains.
> >
> > In what way they will be helpful to the development of Py
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:
> That's a mess and the whole email is formatted like that. I actually have
> not read the email because of the formatting issue. As Oleg pointed out,
> when you go with a federated solution like mail, you are the mercy of
> whatever tools peopl
Oleg Broytman wrote:
From the recent and not so recent discussions of Moxi Marlinspike
about centralized vs decentralized solutions (unfederated messaging vs
email/jabber): "Indeed, cannibalizing a federated application-layer
protocol into a centralized service is almost a sure recipe for a
s
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:59:56AM +1200, Greg Ewing
wrote:
> Oleg Broytman wrote:
>
> > From the recent and not so recent discussions of Moxi Marlinspike
> >about centralized vs decentralized solutions (unfederated messaging vs
> >email/jabber): "Indeed, cannibalizing a federated application-
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 3:33 PM, John Wong wrote:
> Whether it's Mozilla, Python or Cloud Foundry, Apache Cassandra, what not,
> from my experience, the most meaningful discussion always happens over
> email and over some kind of personal messaging platform, e.g. IRC or Slack.
>
That's an odd ju
Guido van Rossum wrote:
Note that all these alternatives still send email notifications (to
those who want them), and trackers (including GitHub) also allow replies
by email.
Can you start a new topic by email, or only reply to
existing ones?
--
Greg
__
> On Aug 13, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Greg Ewing wrote:
>
> Can you start a new topic by email, or only reply to
> existing ones?
Depends on the specific system and the configuration setup for it. Github only
allows replies, Discourse can optionally allow creation of new topics via email.
—
Donald
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> In terms of putting barriers in place of newbie contributions, mailing lists
> appear more problematic than GitHub trackers, given how often we get a reply
> to a digest or an indecipherable jumble of quoting. Trackers also
> effectively
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 16:26 Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:
> > That's a mess and the whole email is formatted like that. I actually have
> > not read the email because of the formatting issue. As Oleg pointed out,
> > when you go with a federated sol
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 16:26 Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:
>> > That's a mess and the whole email is formatted like that. I actually
>> > have
>> > not read the email because of the formattin
The world probably wouldn't better, but I think python-ideas will be better
on something like GitHub.
People who like it will benefit from it, people who don't will still be
able to use their email setup (as pointed earlier - at least for the
majority of cases).
Regards,
Eugene
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