PYTHON LOOSING FOR JAVA???
Yes, Python is already looser than Java.
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 01:43:43 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But if lst[42][pos] happens to hold an integer value, then
a = lst[42][pos]
will _copy_ that integer value into 'a', right? Changing 'a' will not
change the value at lst[42][pos]
Not quite. Don't think of Python names as being
which feature of python do you like most?
It makes easy things easy, while keeping hard things possible.
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Personally, I use init
as an app monitor. It doesn't need monitoring
What's init? Sorry about my ignorance.
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Nicolas Vigier wrote:
Hello,
I have in my python script a function that look like this :
def my_function(arg1, arg2, opt1=0, opt2=1, opt3=42):
if type(arg1) is ListType:
How should it behave with tuples or subclasses of List ? Or if it's any
other iterable ?
Testing against the
On 7 Nov 2005 18:02:09 -0800 in comp.lang.python, Gustav Hållberg
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I tried finding a discussion around adding the possibility to have
optional underscores inside numbers in Python. This is a popular option
available in several competing scripting langauges, that I would
Matt Feinstein wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:30:35 GMT, Raymond L. Buvel
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http://calcrpnpy.sourceforge.net/clnumManual.html
Unless you're using Windows.
Why? Have you tried compiling it and failed?
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In the fields of hell where the
if gtk is your toolkit of choice (using pygtk) you can design your user
interface in glade (which saves it as an xml file) and then load it
during runtime using libglade
for more information check pygtk.org
iand the faq http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/index.py?req=all (--
especially section 22
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which feature of python do you like most?
I've heard from people that python is very useful.
Many people switch from perl to python because they like it more.
I am quite familiar with perl, I've don't lots of code in perl.
Now, I was curious and interested in the
how about wxPython? I am interested in something that will look native
on various operating systems (win, mac, *nix).
any good tutorial on using wxPython with XML?
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Vittorio wrote:
Nonetheless, I was unable to find any documentation about such a
different behaviour between Pysqlite and Pysqlite2; from my beginner
point of view the Pysqlite (Magnus' version) paramstyle looks a better
and more pythonic choice and I don't grasp the Pysqlite2 developers'
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:43:51 -0800, Robert Kern
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Matt Feinstein wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:30:35 GMT, Raymond L. Buvel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://calcrpnpy.sourceforge.net/clnumManual.html
Unless you're using Windows.
Why? Have you tried compiling it and
venk wrote:
Hi,
can some one properly explain the differences between class types and
classic classes? ... Still face problems in identifying what is what.
I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you talking about the diff
between old-style and new-style classes, or the diff between
I had to do something like this for a project I was working on a while
ago, it was a program based on alota plugins that would use a config
file that looked sorta like an Xorg configuration, it seemed kinda hard
at the time but it's acctually pretty fun and easy, the hard part is
functionality you
py wrote:
how about wxPython? I am interested in something that will look native
on various operating systems (win, mac, *nix).
any good tutorial on using wxPython with XML?
The wxPython distribution comes with XRCed, which is a graphical
gui-builder that serializes to XRC (wxWidgets XML
wxPython sounds like it might be the ticket...especially with the XRC
files.
I plan on defining the GUI via XML, and actions in my python app.
Thanks
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I would strongly recomend ubuntu server 5.1. I installed it on about 15
servers. Its secure out of the box. no ports are open. It comes with
python 2.4.1 and a ton of python modules. The install requires only 1
cd and uses only 400 mb.
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Matt Feinstein wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:43:51 -0800, Robert Kern
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Matt Feinstein wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:30:35 GMT, Raymond L. Buvel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://calcrpnpy.sourceforge.net/clnumManual.html
Unless you're using Windows.
Why? Have you
py schrieb:
how about wxPython? I am interested in something that will look native
on various operating systems (win, mac, *nix).
any good tutorial on using wxPython with XML?
look at
http://wiki.wxpython.org/index.cgi/UsingXmlResources
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Look for the Docs and examples file. It has a full list of interesting
examples, including the way for loading GUIs from xrc files. The xrc
files can be generated from DialogBlocks, XRCEditor, wxDesigner.
Daniel
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And if you want only the hex number, try:
hex(255)[2:]
'ff'
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Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, I write _far_ more code in C than Python. But I've seen
enough bugs of the sort where someone wrote 120 when they meant
1200, that I see great value in being able to specify 12_000_000.
I'll admit that being able to write 12_000_000
PyXLWriter might be at your service:
http://pyxlwriter.sourceforge.net/
Have a nice day,
Marco
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Hi,
I am attempting to write a linux logon manager with python.
Can python access login APIs (which module ?) or do I need to write a
wrapper ?
Regards,
Philippe
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Shi Mu wrote:
On 11/8/05, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shi Mu wrote:
why the following code report the error:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
C:\Python23\lib\site-packages\Pythonwin\pywin\framework\scriptutils.py,
line 310, in RunScript
exec codeObject in
Brendan wrote:
py wrote:
how about wxPython? I am interested in something that will look native
on various operating systems (win, mac, *nix).
any good tutorial on using wxPython with XML?
The wxPython distribution comes with XRCed, which is a graphical
gui-builder that serializes
Hello,
I have defined a function to set an opener for urllib2, this opener
defines any proxy and http authentication that is required.
If the proxy has authencation itself and requests an authenticated file
I get a HTTP status code of 401 (Unauthorized access of the file being
requested) I do
shenanigans wrote:
I was interested in getting feedback from current mail group users.
We have mirrored your mail list in a new application that provides a more
aggregated and safe environment which utilizes the power of broadband.
Roomity.com v 1.5 is a web 2.01 community webapp. Our
* Fcamattti (2005-11-07 22:04 +0100)
Hello for everybody
So I have a doubt. I'd like to know what do you think about the joint
of efforts of Sun Microsystems and the Google to create a office web
based. I sincerely enjoy the idea althoug I'd like to know what will be
the future of this
dcrespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
hex(255)[2:]
'ff'
'%x'%255 is preferable since the format of hex() output can vary. Try
hex(33**33).
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Hi all,
I have a need to create a Python script on the fly from another Python
program and then execute the script so created. Do I need to invoke
Python through os.spawnl or is there a better way?
Thanks,
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Am Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:10:25 -0800 schrieb John Henry:
Hi all,
I have a need to create a Python script on the fly from another Python
program and then execute the script so created. Do I need to invoke
Python through os.spawnl or is there a better way?
Hi,
creating source code with a
py wrote:
Anyone here use SPE (http://www.stani.be/python/spe/blog/). ...the IDE?
Also, anyone know if it supports CVS or has a plugin for CVS? If not,
what do you use to get your code into CVS (via an IDE preferably)?
I use eric3 (http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3.html). It is an
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snipped]
i've read a few chapters of a python tutorial book. The things are much like
the perl one.
I have no idea why people are so facinating with python.
Because they can write a program or module longer than 100 lines and be
actually able to read, debug,
Am Tue, 08 Nov 2005 04:21:52 -0800 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
which feature of python do you like most?
I've heard from people that python is very useful.
Many people switch from perl to python because they like it more.
It gives you a stacktrace if something is wrong. Exceptions are
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.
After a bit of googling on the c.l.p. group, I see that building config
files is one of those 'Everyone has a favourite way of doing it' types
of problems, with lots of reimplementations. I should change the
thread topic to Yet Another Config File
On 8 Nov 2005, at 12:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
which feature of python do you like most?
I think this question might be a bit like asking whether you love
your mum or your dad most to a lot of people ;)
People like Python as a whole usually. It's not like C++ or PHP or
anything where
Alex Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
People like Python as a whole usually. It's not like C++ or PHP or
anything where it's generally usable and occasionally pisses you off.
As somebody once said about Lisp, you can feel the bits between your toes.
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which feature of python do you like most?
A different thing every time I encounter the corresponding misfeature
in another language. But a lot of it boils down to the cleanliness of
syntax when handling complex datastructures aggregated from basic
types,
Is there a decent debugger to use with IDL? I have briefly about PDB but
this looks pretty limited in features and difficult to use.
Any suggestions?
Bryan
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login APIs vary widely from system to system.
Classic Unix systems use calls like getpwent and crypt to check passwords, and
then call setuid, setgid and setgroups to set the identity of the user who is
logging in. These are all available in stock Python, check the library
reference for more
On 7 Nov 2005 18:41:39 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's common in web browsers to have a text auto-fill function for
personal information or passwords or whatnot. The flavor that I'm
referring to is the kind that pops up as you're typing the word, not
the kind that fills
That helps a lot, thanks.
Regards,
Philippe
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login APIs vary widely from system to system.
Classic Unix systems use calls like getpwent and crypt to check passwords,
and then call setuid, setgid and setgroups to set the identity of the user
who is
logging in.
mclaugb wrote:
Is there a decent debugger to use with IDL? I have briefly about PDB but
this looks pretty limited in features and difficult to use.
You might like Winpdb:
http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/
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I've never used Perl, but I know other c-like laguages, and I can tell
you what I like about python:
- It is concise, clear and to the point.
- No useless characters like curly braces and semicolons cluttering it
syntax,.
- Very readable and elegant.
- One obvious way to do each task, not
on 08.11.2005 17:40 Brendan said the following:
[snip config/properties file needs]
I've checked out ConfigParser, ConfigObj, Pickle, PyYaml and
gnossis.xml.serialize, and none meet all the above criteria (though
they're all neat).
So I've decide to use ...drumroll please plistlib (
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
which feature of python do you like most?
I've heard from people that python is very useful.
Many people switch from perl to python because they like it more.
I am quite familiar with perl, I've don't lots of code in perl.
Now, I was curious and interested in the
On 6 Nov 2005 23:17:09 -0800, Kay Schluehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pcmanlin wrote:
because i have a problem that python's oo feature is so great, but
maybe when the project become larger, python's no-declaration cannot
mapping the design to practice?
I am not sure about it.
As far
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Guettler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.
.
.
creating source code with a script, is no good solution.
Once I had to maintain lisp code which stored its data in lisp code, too
(incl.
Jeff,
1- I cannot find getpwent in the documentation
2- crypt will not work if the system does not have shadow pw
3- Even as root I get Operation not permitted using setuid and setgid ...
but I assume it is because I cannot get 1 and/or 2 to work.
Can you direct me to some link that would
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do you use in your dairy work with python?
Cows hate snakes!
which feature of python do you like most?
Various success stories:
http://pythonology.org/success
Eric Raymond:
http://pythonology.org/successstory=esr
Bruce Eckel:
I am a fresh here , and I have no idea of it.
Do you have any comments?
Take a look at aether, a single CGI script and it's easy to understand.
http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/aether
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Juho Schultz: Thanks for that, havent got time to modify it for my
needs at the moment, but im sure it'll work as i've just tried it
Jeremy Sanders: Cheers for that, i'll check it out.
thanks to everyone else to!
Thanks
David
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Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm a Tcl/Tk developer who has been dabbling with Python for some time,...
Well, I have finally found a good reason to learn Python in more depth:...
Any advice, particularly from other programmers with a lot of experience
in
Benji York wrote:
mclaugb wrote:
Is there a decent debugger to use with IDL? I have briefly about PDB but
this looks pretty limited in features and difficult to use.
You might like Winpdb:
http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/
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The requested URL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
which feature of python do you like most?
I've heard from people that python is very useful.
Many people switch from perl to python because they like it more.
I am quite familiar with perl, I've don't lots of code in perl.
Now, I was curious and interested in the
thanks for all that have replied so far.
i still find it __very__ hard to believe that i cannot edit code inside a
function while debugging it.
as i mentioned even micro$soft can do this using statically type languages like
visual basic and csharp.
also, both visualbasic and csharp have goto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Benji York wrote:
You might like Winpdb:
http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/
Not Found
The requested URL /pythondebugger/-- was not found on this server.
Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) Server at www.digitalpeers.com Port 80
shrug Works for me.
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getting there, this sequence creates a file with the correct uid and gid
test_user_ids = 504
print os.setreuid(test_user_ids,0)
print os.setregid(test_user_ids,0)
print os.setuid(test_user_ids)
print os.setgid(test_user_ids)
print os.getuid()
f = open(/tmp/toto,w)
f.write(titi)
f.close()
Benji York wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Benji York wrote:
You might like Winpdb:
http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/
Not Found
The requested URL /pythondebugger/-- was not found on this server.
Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) Server at www.digitalpeers.com Port 80
shrug Works
Jarek Zgoda wrote:
Computing is large area. Much larger than aunt Tilly's laptop.
You clearly haven't seen the size of Aunt Tilly's lap!
Sorry, couldn't resist it.
Steve
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John Henry wrote:
Hi all,
I have a need to create a Python script on the fly from another Python
program and then execute the script so created. Do I need to invoke
Python through os.spawnl or is there a better way?
Could you import the generated script? This might be the way to go if,
My web server supports python CGI scripts, but I can't install anything
else there - I can just use what they've provided. I want to process
some PNG images - any ideas how I can do this with just the basic
modules? Is there an image processing module written purely in Python?
Iain
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How can I get the Process ID (PID) of an application started because of
os.startfile(filename)?
Or, better, How can I get the PID of a running program, suposing I know
the name of the running application?
Many thanks.
Daniel
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Most of the responses are of the Why Python is more pleasant than C++
variety, but the original poster specifically said he had experience
with Perl. As such, arguments like automatic memory management don't
carry any weight.
From my experience as both a Perl and Python user--and I do prefer
vinjvinj wrote:
I have an application which allows multiple users to write models.
These models get distributed on a grid of compute engines. users submit
their models through a web interface. I want to
1. restrict the user from doing any file io, exec, import, eval, etc. I
was thinking of
James Stroud wrote:
Hello All,
I'm running 2.3.4
I was reading the documentation for classes types
http://www.python.org/2.2.3/descrintro.html
And stumbled on this paragraph:
__new__ must return an object. There's nothing that requires that it return a
new object that is an
Ray Slakinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
ps: settings.GlobalProxySetting is defined as a string, for example:
non-authenticated proxy: http://192.168.1.1:3128;
authenticated proxy: http://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:3128
[...]
IIRC urllib2 is slightly broken wrt proxy auth and the @ syntax.
use pil for image processing in python
(http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/)
if pil is not installed then i don't think you can process png files
(well at least there is a pure python jpeg decoder:
http://davidf.sjsoft.com/files/pyjpeg/)
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Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ajar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have a stand alone application which does some scientific
computations. I want to provide a web interface for this app. The app
is computationally intensive and may take long time for running. Can
someone suggest me
Recently I have run into an issue with sqlite where I encode strings
going into sqlite3 as utf-8. I guess by default sqlite3 is converting
this to unicode since when I try to decode I get an attribute error
like this:
AttributeError: 'unicode' object has no attribute 'decode'
The code and
Hi all,
answering to Mike Meyer who replied to the following
assertion on my part:
but I supposed the everyone knew that web automation
(and in general automation) is only a problem in Linux.
with...:
I don't know it. I don't believe it, either. I automate web tasks on
Unix systems (I don't
Ben Sizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
It as not easy to work with the CGI-style code in a WYSIWYG web editor
as it is to edit a template, which is probably the main reason for
their use. Also, coding everything with req.write() means that each
[...]
You seem to believe CGI is incompatible
John Henry wrote:
Hi all,
I have a need to create a Python script on the fly from another Python
program and then execute the script so created. Do I need to invoke
Python through os.spawnl or is there a better way?
When doing something similar to this I used the built-in 'execfile()'
On 11/7/05, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fcamattti wrote:
Hello for everybody
So I have a doubt. I'd like to know what do you think about the joint
of efforts of Sun Microsystems and the Google to create a office web
based. I sincerely enjoy the idea althoug I'd like to
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:27:25 -0400, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently I have run into an issue with sqlite where I encode strings
going into sqlite3 as utf-8. I guess by default sqlite3 is converting
this to unicode since when I try to decode I get an attribute error
like this:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
what is the thing that python makes you happy?
I discovered Python 5 years ago and I remember very well that what
attracted me first was indentation. I had learnt JavaScript and
rudiments of Java and couldn't decide on a consistent way of indenting
my code, so
[Claire McLister]
I've made the script available on our downloads page at:
http://www.zeesource.net/downloads/e2i
[Alan Kennedy]
I look forward to the map with updated precision :-)
[Claire McLister]
Me too. Please let me know how we should modify the script.
Having examined your script,
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Most of the responses are of the Why Python is more pleasant than C++
variety, but the original poster specifically said he had experience
with Perl. As such, arguments like automatic memory management don't
carry any weight.
From my experience as both a Perl
I have questions about thread safety in the 'random' module.
When using the random.Random class (be it Mersenne Twister or Wichmann-Hill
based), is it sufficiently thread-safe (preserving entropy and guarding
against attack) to just have each thread work with its own random.Random
instance? Or
Paul Rubin wrote:
dcrespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
hex(255)[2:]
'ff'
'%x'%255 is preferable since the format of hex() output can vary. Try
hex(33**33).
?
You're usually smarter than this, or am I missing some joke?
hex(33*33)
'0x441'
hex(33*33)[2:]
'441'
33*33
1089
%x %
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Try hex(33**33).
You're usually smarter than this, or am I missing some joke?
hex(33*33)
'0x441'
You used only one * (multiplication), I used two *'s (exponentiation).
hex(33**33)
'0x5857366DCE0162CB5DDCD1BF0FC7C03A6438304421L'
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What should I do to be able to compile C-extensions (with python 2.4,
winXP)? I get an error message, approximately The .NET Framework SDK
needs to be installed; I tried to get something from the Microsoft
web site, but maybe not the right
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
answering to Mike Meyer who replied to the following
assertion on my part:
but I supposed the everyone knew that web automation
(and in general automation) is only a problem in Linux.
with...:
I don't know it. I don't believe it, either. I automate web tasks on
I have a stored procedure that has a single output parameter. Why do I
have to pass it a string big enough to hold the value it is to receive?
Why can't I pass an empty string or None?
import cx_Oracle as oracle
connection = oracle.connect('usr/[EMAIL PROTECTED]')
cursor =
Hi !
With W2K or WXP :
tasklist /FI IMAGENAME eq exename.exe
And, with Python, how capture this information :
def findPID(exename):
import os
a = os.popen4('tasklist /FI IMAGENAME eq '+exename+'')
a[0].flush()
try:
info=a[1].readlines()[3].split()
except:
Paul Rubin wrote:
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Try hex(33**33).
You're usually smarter than this, or am I missing some joke?
hex(33*33)
'0x441'
You used only one * (multiplication), I used two *'s (exponentiation).
hex(33**33)
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:33:12 +0100, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorg_R=F8dsj=F8?= [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Bengt Richter wrote:
By 'getmtime' you mean os.path.getmtime(fer_shure_or_absolute_path_to_file)
right?
Doesn't that get you an integer number of seconds? What GUI or win32file is
showing you
Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mike Meyer wrote:
Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The problem on non-Windows systems is the lack of a common (or
enforced) technology for exposing application object models
OS X has AppleScript. VM/CMS has Rexx. The Amiga had ARexx when MS was
Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
PS: I won't cross-post as I'm not subscribed to the Python group.
Very wisely done. Then from Xah Lee, we get;
I have cross posted it for you.
Proving once again that he's stupider than spam. Please help google
find him that
On 08 Nov 2005 08:07:34 -0800, Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
dcrespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
hex(255)[2:]
'ff'
'%x'%255 is preferable since the format of hex() output can vary. Try
hex(33**33).
Not to mention ([EMAIL PROTECTED] deleted ;-)
hex(-255)[2:]
'xff'
hex(-255)
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Alex Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alex:
Aahz:
Alex:
the canonical idiom when you need such distinction is:
_not_there = object()
What's your preferred idiom when you're dealing with storable objects?
What's a storable object?
SPE doesn't yet integrate with CVS, but it's in active development.
CVS support may come sooner than later.
I have been demoing Komodo which integrates with CVS, SVN and perforce.
I've been very impressed.
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/docs/Komodo/3.1/komodo-doc-scc.html
On my pc I just use
hi,
i'm about to write a script to play various audio files. what i want to write
is a directory (module) containing wrappers around various players that supply
a player object (inheriting from a general player object defined earlier) and
an entry in a list of mime types (which player is for
Hey everyone, I have a file containing the following type of data (only
an example):
root:root
What I want to do is take this line and divide it into two separate
strings (the ':' character would divide the two strings, so the result
of the example above would be root and root.) The names
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 23:59, James Colannino wrote:
Hey everyone, I have a file containing the following type of data (only
an example):
root:root
What I want to do is take this line and divide it into two separate
strings (the ':' character would divide the two strings, so the result
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Russell E. Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[acute observations]
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Features of Python that are well integrated and well worth using include:
- objects
- collection classes
Mike Brown wrote:
I have questions about thread safety in the 'random' module.
When using the random.Random class (be it Mersenne Twister or Wichmann-Hill
based), is it sufficiently thread-safe (preserving entropy and guarding
against attack) to just have each thread work with its own
Christoph Haas wrote:
You probably mean:
a=root:root
b,c = a.split(:)
b and c contain both sides of the colon.
Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for.
james
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