On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:45 PM, candide candide@free.invalid wrote:
Dart is the very new language created by Google to replace Javascript.
So Python was not able to do the job? Or may be they don't know about
Python
Hi,
I am first time trying my hands on python scripting and would need
some guidance from the experts on my problem.
I want to execute a windows command within python script from a client
machine on a remote target server, and would want the output of the
command written in a file on client
On 11/15/11 12:04, Roark wrote:
Hi,
I am first time trying my hands on python scripting and would need
some guidance from the experts on my problem.
I want to execute a windows command within python script from a client
machine on a remote target server, and would want the output of the
Is it possible to specify PREFIX directory for pip command by
environment variable?
I found that 'pip install --install-option=--prefix=PREFIX' works well,
but I don't want to specify '--install-option=--prefix=PREFIX' every time.
I prefer to specify it by environment variable such as::
Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
On 11/15/11 12:04, Roark wrote:
Hi,
I am first time trying my hands on python scripting and would need
some guidance from the experts on my problem.
I want to execute a windows command within python script from a client
machine on a remote target server, and would
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Roark suha...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I want to execute a windows command within python script from a client
machine on a remote target server, and would want the output of the
command written in a file on client machine. What is the way it could
be achieved.
It sounds like Fabric is what you're after. We use it at work and it's the
best thing since ssh. ;]
http://docs.fabfile.org/en/1.3.2/index.html
(Actually, it uses ssh internally and allows you to do remote shell-like
programming in a pythonic fashion.)
Cheers,
Xav
On 15 November 2011 22:04,
In article mailman.2728.1321366254.27778.python-l...@python.org,
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Roark suha...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I want to execute a windows command within python script from a client
machine on a remote target server, and
On 2011-11-15, Barry W Brown brown...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought that the point of the else clause is that it is reached
only if there is no exception in the try clause.
Not really. If that's all you wanted, then you just put the code at
the end of the try block.
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Makoto Kuwata k...@kuwata-lab.com wrote:
Is it possible to specify PREFIX directory for pip command by
environment variable?
I found that 'pip install --install-option=--prefix=PREFIX' works well,
but I don't want to specify '--install-option=--prefix=PREFIX' every time.
I prefer to specify
On 11/15/11 2:31 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2011-11-15, Barry W Brownbrown...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought that the point of the else clause is that it is reached
only if there is no exception in the try clause.
Not really. If that's all you wanted, then you just put the code at
the end of
On Nov 15, 1:04 pm, Roark suha...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am first time trying my hands on python scripting and would need
some guidance from the experts on my problem.
I want to execute a windows command within python script from a client
machine on a remote target server, and would want
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Marc Christiansen
use...@solar-empire.de wrote:
I'd try
export PIP_INSTALL_OPTION=--prefix=$PWD/local
It works very well. Thank you.
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using a config file is also possible. See
http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/configuration.html
You could easily script this with popen calling secure shell to execute a
command and capture the output.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:04 AM, Roark suha...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am first time trying my hands on python scripting and would need
some guidance from the experts
On Nov 7, 1:00 pm, OKB (not okblacke)
brennospamb...@nobrenspambarn.net wrote:
I noticed this (Python 2.6.5 on Windows XP):
http://book-az.com
import random, timeit
def myAll(x):
... for a in x:
... if a not in (True, False):
... return False
...
for x in a, b, c:
del x[0]
for arr in [a,b,c]:
arr.pop(0)
(Peter's del solution is quite close, but I find the 'del' statement
tricky in python and will mislead many python newcomers)
Can you expand on why 'del' is tricky/misleading?
Ramit
Ramit Prasad | JPMorgan Chase Investment Bank
Hi,
Is there a way to suppress all the errors when importing a module in
python?
By that I mean.. If I have other imports in the module I'm trying to import
that fail, I still want my module to be imported that way..
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As with any Python code, you can wrap the import into a try: except block.
try:
import badModule
except:
pass # Or otherwise handle the exception - possibly importing an
alternative module.
As with any except statement, specific exceptions may be caught
(rather than the blank, catch
Perhaps you should call it LaoZiDao.
I just prefer shorter name.
DAO as Data Access Objects is a common acronym in several languages (i.e.
Java),
so you will continually have this naming conflict. Just be aware that this
conflict will happen frequently in the minds of many programmers.
Ramit
On 15 November 2011 17:24, Chris Kaynor ckay...@zindagigames.com wrote:
As with any Python code, you can wrap the import into a try: except block.
try:
import badModule
except:
pass # Or otherwise handle the exception - possibly importing an
alternative module.
Hmm, I know this
On Nov 15, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Andreea Babiuc wrote:
On 15 November 2011 17:24, Chris Kaynor ckay...@zindagigames.com wrote:
As with any Python code, you can wrap the import into a try: except block.
try:
import badModule
except:
pass # Or otherwise handle the exception -
On 11/15/2011 12:01 PM, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
SNIP
(Peter's del solution is quite close, but I find the 'del' statement
tricky in python and will mislead many python newcomers)
Can you expand on why 'del' is tricky/misleading?
Ramit
a = someexpression...
b = a
del a
Does not
On 15/11/2011 17:26, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
Perhaps you should call it LaoZiDao.
I just prefer shorter name.
DAO as Data Access Objects is a common acronym in several languages (i.e. Java),
so you will continually have this naming conflict. Just be aware that this
conflict will happen
David Riley wrote:
On Nov 15, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Andreea Babiuc wrote:
On 15 November 2011 17:24, Chris Kaynor ckay...@zindagigames.com wrote:
As with any Python code, you can wrap the import into a try: except block.
try:
import badModule
except:
pass # Or otherwise handle the
Hi All,
I am new to Python. I have to implement a overlay network of around
500 nodes which are arranged as a random graph. To generate theoverlay
network I will be using networkx.
My query is, is there a way to implement Gossip protocol in my overlay
network using Python. Like one node
Hi,
Wingware has released version 4.1.1 of Wing IDE, an integrated development
environment designed specifically for the Python programming language.
Wing IDE is a cross-platform Python IDE that provides a professional code
editor with vi, emacs, and other key bindings, auto-completion, call
On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote:
PS : @Dave there is a way to avoiding adding symbols to your global
namespace, assign None to the module's name on import errors. Then before
using it, just test the module bool value : if serial: serial.whateverMethod()
True, and
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Dave Angel d...@davea.name wrote:
a = someexpression...
b = a
del a
Does not (necessarily) delete the object that a refers to. It merely
deletes the symbol a.
I'd have to classify that as part of the change of thinking necessary
for a refcounted
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:39 AM, David Riley fraveyd...@gmail.com wrote:
True, and that does avoid polluting namespace. However, you shouldn't be
testing for None as a bool; you should instead do an if module is None:
(or, of course, is not None).
Why not? Is there some other way for the
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Passiday passi...@gmail.com wrote:
The app would have basic IDE for writing and debugging the python code, but
the interpretation, of course, would be done in JavaScript. I'd like to avoid
any client-server transactions, so all the interpretation should take
Hello,
I am looking for a way how to bring Python interpreter to JavaScript, in order
to provide a web-based application with python scripting capabilities. The app
would have basic IDE for writing and debugging the python code, but the
interpretation, of course, would be done in JavaScript.
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Passiday passi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for a way how to bring Python interpreter to JavaScript, in
order to provide a web-based application with python scripting capabilities.
The app would have basic IDE for writing and debugging the python
On 15-11-2011 21:37, Passiday wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for a way how to bring Python interpreter to JavaScript, in order
to provide a web-based application with python scripting capabilities. The app
would have basic IDE for writing and debugging the python code, but the
interpretation, of
On Nov 15, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:39 AM, David Riley fraveyd...@gmail.com wrote:
True, and that does avoid polluting namespace. However, you shouldn't be
testing for None as a bool; you should instead do an if module is None:
(or, of course, is
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:20 AM, David Riley fraveyd...@gmail.com wrote:
Comparisons to singletons like None should always be done with
'is' or 'is not', never the equality operators.
Also, beware of writing if x when you really mean if x is not None
-- e.g. when testing
On 15 November 2011 21:34, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:20 AM, David Riley fraveyd...@gmail.com wrote:
Comparisons to singletons like None should always be done with
'is' or 'is not', never the equality operators.
Also, beware of writing if x
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Arnaud Delobelle arno...@gmail.com wrote:
It's idiomatic to write x is None when you want to know whether x is None.
It's also idiomatic to just write if x: when you want to know
whether x is something or nothing, and that's what I would probably do
here. Either
On 11/15/2011 3:52 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Passidaypassi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for a way how to bring Python interpreter to JavaScript, in order
to provide a web-based application with python scripting capabilities. The app
would have basic
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:20 AM, David Riley fraveyd...@gmail.com wrote:
Comparisons to singletons like None should always be done with
'is' or 'is not', never the equality operators.
Also, beware of
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:01:23 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
Can you expand on why 'del' is tricky/misleading?
People often imagine that the del statement sends a message to the object
please delete yourself, which then calls the __del__ method. That is
incorrect.
del x is an unbinding
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 06:53:26 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Dave Angel d...@davea.name wrote:
a = someexpression...
b = a
del a
Does not (necessarily) delete the object that a refers to. It merely
deletes the symbol a.
I'd have to classify that as
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:22:21 -0800, Chris Kaynor wrote:
The tests (the code is shown later - its about 53 lines, with lots of
copy+paste...):
Holy unnecessarily complicated code Batman!
This is much simpler:
[steve@ando ~]$ python -m timeit -s x = None if x is None: pass
1000 loops, best
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Languages aren't refcounted. Or at least, *Python* isn't a refcounted
language. CPython is a refcounted implementation. IronPython and Jython
are not. del behaves exactly the same in IronPython and
On 11/15/2011 4:20 PM, David Riley wrote:
...
None was set to some other value. The other value might have a type
(such as a container) that could be false in a boolean context!
Obviously, that last bit doesn't apply to modules; they're not going to evaluate as False in
general.
On 11/15/2011 3:37 PM, Passiday wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for a way how to bring Python interpreter to JavaScript, in order
to provide a web-based application with python scripting capabilities. The app
would have basic IDE for writing and debugging the python code, but the
interpretation,
On Nov 15, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Alan Meyer wrote:
On 11/15/2011 4:20 PM, David Riley wrote:
...
None was set to some other value. The other value might have a type
(such as a container) that could be false in a boolean context!
Obviously, that last bit doesn't apply to modules;
Hi,
I'm reading the redis documentation and there is one thing that
bothers me. For redis, you need to start a server on localhost. Is
there an easy way that my Python script starts this server
automatically? Before using my script, I don't want to start
redis-server each time. When my program
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
As a general rule, if any parent is invisible, you won't see the
child, and if any parent is disabled, you can't access the child.
Yea, I'm becoming more familiar and comfortable with the GUI hierarchy as I
play around.
On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:37:03 PM UTC-8, Passiday wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for a way how to bring Python interpreter to JavaScript, in
order to provide a web-based application with python scripting capabilities.
The app would have basic IDE for writing and debugging the python
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Jabba Laci jabba.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm reading the redis documentation and there is one thing that
bothers me. For redis, you need to start a server on localhost. Is
there an easy way that my Python script starts this
Hi,
Using Windows. Is there a python shell that has a history of typed in
commands?
I don't need output of commands just what I typed it. I need it to
save between sessions - something that no shell seems to do. If I
reboot there will still be a command history somewhere.
Like bash history in
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Jason Swails jason.swa...@gmail.com wrote:
Apparently I could not do what I was wanting to (state=DISABLED is not a
valid option to Toplevel). What I wanted to do was something similar to
what the dialogs were doing from tkMessageBox.
Yes, that would be what
Maybe you're looking for ipython? History, tab-complete, sort of
things in it.
goldtech wrote:
Hi,
Using Windows. Is there a python shell that has a history of typed in
commands?
I don't need output of commands just what I typed it. I need it to
save between sessions - something that no
I just scaned through the beginer's guide of logging module, but I
can't get anything from console. The demo just like this:
import logging
logging.debug(This is a demo)
Maybe I should do sth to put the log to stdout in basicConfig first?
Thanks in advance
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:58 AM, sword john...@gmail.com wrote:
I just scaned through the beginer's guide of logging module, but I
can't get anything from console. The demo just like this:
import logging
logging.debug(This is a demo)
Maybe I should do sth to put the log to stdout in
The logging cookbook gives an Filter example, explainning how to add
contextural info to log. I can't figure out how to filter log from it.
Suppose I have 3 file, a.py, b.py and main.py
#file: a.py
import logging
logger=logging.getLogger(__name__)
def print_log():
logger.debug(I'm module a)
Thanks Carl, this looks like a good base to start from.
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Of course, I am aware of this. But the file system can be emulated, and certain
networking can be mediated via the server, too. But for starts, I don't plan to
go beyond the basic file operations, if at all.
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Charles-François Natali neolo...@free.fr added the comment:
Together with -R, it can help chase those memory leaks which aren't
reference leaks (see c6dafa2e2594).
Valgrind does a much better job at this: it will also show you where the leaked
blocks were allocated.
OTOH, Valgrind is
xhantu pwo...@rz-online.de added the comment:
Confirmed for Python 2.7.1 on Ubuntu.
Problematic are the __reduce__ methods of
multiprocessing.process.AuthenticationString and
multiprocessing.managers.BaseProxy. Pickling of an authkey in BaseProxy is only
done and allowed when
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forgot to set version in classification
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using hg commands failed and I haven't found time to figure it out or do the
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Maciej Bliziński maciej.blizin...@gmail.com added the comment:
I haven't tried building with GCC, Python has always been built with Sun Studio
at OpenCSW. I've got very similar build files for Python 2.6, 2.7, 3.0, and
3.1 -- none of them have this problem, so this is a regression in 3.2.
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This will likely be a decent you have a problem indicator, but you may still
need tools like Valgrind to actually track down the *cause* of that problem.
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Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment:
Here is a new patch based on Dan's last patch.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that it's not possible for a node
to have only text-nodes as children and yet have more than one child; i.e. you
can't have two or more adjacent
New submission from sengels ps...@gmx.de:
This bug seems to be related to http://bugs.python.org/issue13158
When I try to run the following code:
import tarfile
tf = tarfile.open(kdelibs-4.7.3.tar.bz2, r)
print(len(tf.getnames()))
against this tarball:
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sbt shibt...@gmail.com added the comment:
Here is an updated patch which uses the real errno.
It also gets rid of the restore_pos argument of
_bufferedwriter_flush_unlocked() which is always set to false --
I guess buffered_flush_and_rewind_unlocked() is used instead.
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New submission from Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org:
The code dealing with the new resources subsystem used to be called datafiles
(module distutils2.datafiles, file dist-info/DATAFILES, etc.). I believe it is
a better name and we should use it again:
- it would make clear that it’s an
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment:
Currently different environment variables are treated differently. For
example,
mistakes in PYTHONHOME and PYTHONIOENCODING cause fatal error while an error
in
PYTHONSTARTUP is reported but does not terminate python:
If PYTHONSTARTUP is
Baptiste Carvello de...@baptiste-carvello.net added the comment:
Le 14/11/2011 20:51, Eric Snow a écrit :
So would it be worth the effort to identify each such place in the
built-ins/stdlib and eventually change them all? I've seen support for doing
so in other tracker issues and think
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Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment:
C functions that have optional arguments but don't accept keyword arguments
are a bit unusual,
and IIUC in most of the cases that's an implementation detail that could be
removed.
So would it be worth the effort to identify each such place
Roundup Robot devn...@psf.upfronthosting.co.za added the comment:
New changeset 659bf2a679d2 by Éric Araujo in branch 'default':
Add tests for tests.support (#12659), thanks to Francisco Martín Brugué
http://hg.python.org/distutils2/rev/659bf2a679d2
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Me too. (Can you give the #ids of these other issues?)
See for example #13012.
I think we should fix C functions to accept kwargs for the sake of
Python programmers, not merely to ease documentation (that would just
be a nice
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment:
I think we should fix C functions to accept kwargs for the sake of Python
programmers
And also for compatibility for other implementations like PyPy.
Good point.
I'm still not sure that is a good idea to do a mass conversion of all the
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment:
I’ve noticed that setuptools’ Command class also allows keyword arguments in
its constructor. I’m not sure if it would be useful, but I’ve not looked in
depth at the packaging codebase to see if there is code that could use that.
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Valgrind does a much better job at this: it will also show you where
the leaked blocks were allocated.
OTOH, Valgrind is Linux-only and slow, but since I haven't used the
'-R' option much, I don't know how usable this will be in practice
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment:
I've added runTest to Tester
It turns out this was the only change needed. Tarek’s repo on bitbucket is not
up-to-date, I should have given you the hg.python.org link. (You can edit
.hg/hgrc in your repo and run “hg pull -u” to get missing
Lars Gustäbel l...@gustaebel.de added the comment:
Some testing reveals that the bz2 module 3.3 cannot fully decompress the file
in question. Only the first 900k are decompressed. Thus, this issue is not
related to issue13158 or the tarfile module.
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Charles-François Natali neolo...@free.fr added the comment:
Isn't this a duplicate of issue #1625?
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Jesús Cea Avión j...@jcea.es added the comment:
Can you add the missing library path in CFLAGS and LDFLAGS environment
variables?.
Something like: (from a fresh source code)
./configure OPTIONS CFLAGS=-Ipath LDFLAGS=-Ipath
If that works, we can explore why the path is not detected
Jesús Cea Avión j...@jcea.es added the comment:
BTW, is only curses building failing?. Is the rest of the code built
correctly?. That would be a good hint.
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Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment:
This module also fails to build on my Debian. I had the libcursesw headers
installed and one day it was not enough; installing libcurses headers fixes it.
I don’t know if it’s the same problem or something related to Debian multiarch.
Dave Mankoff man...@gmail.com added the comment:
Use regular expressions for more advanced stripping than what the .strip
method provides.
So I guess this brings me back to my original issue. I'm not looking for
particularly advanced stripping. I just want to remove all whitespace and other
Roundup Robot devn...@psf.upfronthosting.co.za added the comment:
New changeset c10946a17420 by Éric Araujo in branch 'default':
Clean up byte-compilation code in packaging (#11254 followup).
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/c10946a17420
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Thanks again. Just a nit: the tests should be in MiscIOTest, since they don't
directly instantiate the individual classes. Also, perhaps it would be nice to
check that the exception's errno attribute is EAGAIN.
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kxroberto kxrobe...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment:
ping!
perhaps I forgot to write that I uploaded the cleaned patch also on 2010-08-23.
I really think this simple patch is necessary. Just seen the same problem again
- as I forgot the patch in one of my recent Python update
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment:
So I guess this brings me back to my original issue. I'm not looking
for particularly advanced stripping. I just want to remove all
whitespace and other non-printing characters.
.strip only strips whitespace. Stripping non-printing
Dan Kenigsberg dan...@redhat.com added the comment:
Technically, adjacent Text nodes are not illegal, but preserving this oddity in
pretty-print is impossible. It is perfectly fine to pretty-print only the
simple case of len()==1.
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Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment:
def __init__(self, command, *, **callkwds):
Is the '*' marker needed?
self.callkwds = callkwds
These aren’t used in the module-level functions. What is the use case?
If you forgive me for the nitpick, the docstrings have too
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Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment:
Ezio made further comments, follow the “review” link.
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Brett Cannon br...@python.org added the comment:
Answers to Eric's questions: yes and yes, but I probably won't bother until I
do a final update to the PEP.
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