On Sun, 12 May 2013 16:17:02 +0200, Citizen Kant wrote:
> Thank you very much for your answers.
>
> I'm afraid that, at this stage, I must prevent myself from "knowing too
> much" about the subject. My idea here is trying to fill the gaps,
> mostly, using intuition.
Then you are doomed to failur
On Mon, 13 May 2013 12:34:13 +1200, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> In the most general terms, the Python interpeter (or any other computer
> system, for that matter) can be thought of as something with an internal
> state, and a transition function that takes the state together with some
> input and produ
On Sat, 11 May 2013 22:03:15 +0200, Citizen Kant wrote:
> Hi,
> this could be seen as an extravagant subject but that is not my original
> purpose. I still don't know if I want to become a programmer or not. At
> this moment I'm just inspecting the environment.
Towards what purpose?
Do you want
Citizen Kant wrote:
What I do here is to try to "understand".
That's different from just knowing. Knowledge growth must be consequence
of understanding's increasing. As the scope of my understanding
increases, the more I look for increasing my knowledge. Never vice
versa, because, knowing isn'
On 13 May 2013 00:22, "Greg Ewing" wrote:
>
> Wayne Werner wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 10 May 2013, Gregory Ewing wrote:
>>
>>> f = open("myfile.dat")
>>> f.close()
>>> data = f.read()
>>
>>
>> To clarify - you don't want a class that has functions that need to be
called in a certain order with *va
On May 13, 12:30 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> If you are interested in the intersection of programming and philosophy,
> I strongly recommend that you read "Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal
> Golden Braid" by Douglas R. Hofstadter.
+1
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On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber
wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 08:18:05 +1000, Chris Angelico
> declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>>
>> No, Chris (not me, the other Chris... *an*other Chris okay, one of
>> the chorus of Chrises of this list!) did mean Gm
On 13/05/2013 00:40, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Mr. Joe wrote:
I seem to stumble upon a situation where "!=" operator misbehaves in
python2.x. Not sure if it's my misunderstanding or a bug in python
implementation. Here's a demo code to reproduce the behavior -
The != o
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Mr. Joe wrote:
> I seem to stumble upon a situation where "!=" operator misbehaves in
> python2.x. Not sure if it's my misunderstanding or a bug in python
> implementation. Here's a demo code to reproduce the behavior -
The != operator is implemented by the __ne__
Am 13.05.2013 01:23, schrieb Mr. Joe:
> I seem to stumble upon a situation where "!=" operator misbehaves in
> python2.x. Not sure if it's my misunderstanding or a bug in python
> implementation. Here's a demo code to reproduce the behavior -
> """
Python 2.7 doesn't use the negation of __eq__ whe
On 5/12/2013 7:23 PM, Mr. Joe wrote:
I seem to stumble upon a situation where "!=" operator misbehaves in
python2.x. Not sure if it's my misunderstanding or a bug in python
implementation. Here's a demo code to reproduce the behavior -
"""
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
from __future__ import unicode_li
I seem to stumble upon a situation where "!=" operator misbehaves in
python2.x. Not sure if it's my misunderstanding or a bug in python
implementation. Here's a demo code to reproduce the behavior -
"""
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
from __future__ import unicode_literals, print_function
class DemoClass
Wayne Werner wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2013, Gregory Ewing wrote:
f = open("myfile.dat")
f.close()
data = f.read()
To clarify - you don't want a class that has functions that need to be
called in a certain order with *valid input* in order to not crash.
Exactly what does happen - a Value
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Jens Thoms Toerring
>> wrote:
>> > Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
>> >> Gmail automatically hides long quotes. This is helpful in situations
>> >> like this one. More mail
On 05/12/2013 03:33 PM, Alex Norton wrote:
im new to python and im in the middle of making a RPS game for a college
unit.
i have used PyQt to create the GUI and i have received help regarding
adding the code to the buttons.
I'm not at all familiar with PyQT, but I have used other GUIs, and I'm
Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
> > Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
> >> Gmail automatically hides long quotes. This is helpful in situations
> >> like this one. More mail software should implement that
> >> functionality. Seriously: once yo
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
> Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
>> Gmail automatically hides long quotes. This is helpful in situations
>> like this one. More mail software should implement that
>> functionality. Seriously: once you go Gmail, you never go back.
>
Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:
> (slightly offtopic, sorry.)
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Jens Thoms Toerring
> wrote:
> > PS: If I may ask you a favor: consider refraining from using Google's
> > completely broken interface to newsgroups - your post consists
> > of nearly 200 l
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Terry Jan Reedy wrote:
> On 5/12/2013 10:12 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> Was this intentional, along the lines of not touching the old and
>> unsupported docs?
>
> Cross referencing was added while 3.2 docs were still subject to revision.
> x.y docs are essentia
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:13 AM, llanitedave wrote:
> On Sunday, May 12, 2013 7:51:28 AM UTC-7, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Citizen Kant wrote:
>>
>> > Maybe It'd be good if I explain myself a bit more. What I'm trying here is
>>
>> > to grasp Python from the game's
On 5/12/2013 1:18 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 5/8/2013 10:39 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
...The field needs re-invented and re-centered.[...]
For anyone who want to be involved. See the wikiwikiweb -- a tool
that every programmer should know and use -- and these pages:
ComputerScienceVersionTwo
On 5/12/2013 12:48 PM, Wayne Werner wrote:
I'll share the anti-pattern that I've seen many times (not actually in
Python)
class CoolPresenter:
def __init__(self):
self.view = None
self.some_property = None
self.other_property = None
On 5/12/2013 1:14 PM, Wayne Werner wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2013, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Wayne Werner wrote:
You don't ever want a class that has functions that need to be called
in a certain order to *not* crash.
That seems like an overly broad statement. What
do you think the following should d
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Alex Norton wrote:
> im new to python and im in the middle of making a RPS game for a college
> unit.
>
> i have used PyQt to create the GUI and i have received help regarding adding
> the code to the buttons.
>
> but its missing something as the error
>
> 'Traceb
On Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:20:13 UTC+1, Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
> Alex Norton wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:15:28 UTC+1, Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
>
> > > Of course, it might be nicer to have a "result" label some-
>
> > > where in the graphical interface which you set to the
im new to python and im in the middle of making a RPS game for a college
unit.
i have used PyQt to create the GUI and i have received help regarding
adding the code to the buttons.
but its missing something as the error
'Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Users\Me\Desktop\testy.py",
lin
On 5/12/2013 10:12 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Not sure if this is an oversight or something deliberate... could be either.
From http://docs.python.org/3.0/library/http.server.html there's no
link to the current docs, even though from
http://docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html it's possibl
On 12/05/13 03:02, duncan smith wrote:
On 12/05/13 02:29, Dan Stromberg wrote:
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Dan Stromberg mailto:drsali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
[snip]
What should BinaryTree.find() do if it finds a data.node that is None?
A call to "find(data)" should find and return e
On Sunday, May 12, 2013 7:51:28 AM UTC-7, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Citizen Kant wrote:
>
> > Maybe It'd be good if I explain myself a bit more. What I'm trying here is
>
> > to grasp Python from the game's abstraction point of view, as if it were,
>
> > for exam
On 5/8/2013 10:39 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
...The field needs re-invented and re-centered.[...]
For anyone who want to be involved. See the wikiwikiweb -- a tool
that every programmer should know and use -- and these pages:
ComputerScienceVersionTwo and ObjectOrientedRefactored.
I've never un
On Fri, 10 May 2013, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Wayne Werner wrote:
You don't ever want a class that has functions that need to be called in a
certain order to *not* crash.
That seems like an overly broad statement. What
do you think the following should do?
f = open("myfile.dat")
f.close()
On Fri, 10 May 2013, Robert Kern wrote:
On 2013-05-10 12:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
But either way, that's fine. You've found an object where it does make
sense to have an explicit "make it go" method: first one entity has
permission to construct the object, but not to open the underlying file
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
wrote:
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Jens Thoms Toerring
> wrote:
>> PS: If I may ask you a favor: consider refraining from using Google's
>> completely broken interface to newsgroups - your post consists
>> of nearly 200 li
On May 12, 7:17 pm, Citizen Kant wrote:
> Maybe It'd be good if I explain myself a bit more. What I'm trying here is
> to grasp Python from the game's abstraction point of view, as if it were,
> for example, chess. That's why I need a real_player to point me to: (so to
> speak, I wish I could expr
(slightly offtopic, sorry.)
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
> PS: If I may ask you a favor: consider refraining from using Google's
> completely broken interface to newsgroups - your post consists
> of nearly 200 lines of text containing all I wrote, with an e
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Citizen Kant wrote:
> Maybe It'd be good if I explain myself a bit more. What I'm trying here is
> to grasp Python from the game's abstraction point of view, as if it were,
> for example, chess.
Maybe you're going for something a little too complicated. Let's boi
On Sun, 12 May 2013 04:15:30 -0400, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:45:12 -0700, rusi wrote:
>>
>>> I have on occasion expressed that newcomers to this list should be
>>> treated with more gentleness than others. And si
On Sun, 12 May 2013 16:17:02 +0200, Citizen Kant wrote:
> Any clue about this would be highly appreciated.
If you are interested in the intersection of programming and philosophy,
I strongly recommend that you read "Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal
Golden Braid" by Douglas R. Hofstadter.
--
Thank you very much for your answers.
I'm afraid that, at this stage, I must prevent myself from "knowing too
much" about the subject. My idea here is trying to fill the gaps, mostly,
using intuition. What I do here is to try to "understand". That's different
from just knowing. Knowledge growth mu
Not sure if this is an oversight or something deliberate... could be either.
>From http://docs.python.org/3.0/library/http.server.html there's no
link to the current docs, even though from
http://docs.python.org/3/library/http.server.html it's possible to
switch to 3.2 and then back to 3.3 (or to
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:45:12 -0700, rusi wrote:
>
>> I have on occasion expressed that newcomers to this list should be
>> treated with more gentleness than others. And since my own joking may be
>> taken amiss, let me hasten to add (to the
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