Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 16:36, Antoon Pardon wrote: > > > > Op 17/10/2022 om 04:01 schreef Chris Angelico: > > On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 10:46, wrote: > >> My point Chris was that you can have a conversation where you are exploring > >> and not proposing. Brainstorming, perhaps. > > And my point is t

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 17/10/2022 om 04:01 schreef Chris Angelico: On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 10:46, wrote: My point Chris was that you can have a conversation where you are exploring and not proposing. Brainstorming, perhaps. And my point is that either a proposal is a serious one that can expect serious discussi

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 10:46, wrote: > > My point Chris was that you can have a conversation where you are exploring > and not proposing. Brainstorming, perhaps. And my point is that either a proposal is a serious one that can expect serious discussion, or it isn't. Yes, I'm aware that it wasn't

RE: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread avi.e.gross
My point Chris was that you can have a conversation where you are exploring and not proposing. Brainstorming, perhaps. I was saying that there are many ways to signal things and in some hypothetical new language, it may be implemented in novel ways that do not break anything. I note languages lik

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 08:22, wrote: > I had another crazy thought that I AM NOT ASKING anyone to do. OK? > Here's another proposal: Let's ban you from this mailing list. Don't worry, I AM NOT ASKING anyone to do it. OK? Do you see how ridiculous and pointless it is to have proposals with that k

RE: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread avi.e.gross
Realistically an idea about something new is easier to consider than changing what you have. Some newer languages may well be designed from the start in new ways and Julia is an example of a language that allows a wide swath of UNICODE characters to be used in identifiers. They also let you type t

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2022-10-16 19:52:47 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 16/10/2022 om 19:01 schreef Peter J. Holzer: > > On 2022-10-16 12:17:39 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: > > > Op 16/10/2022 om 00:50 schreefavi.e.gr...@gmail.com: > > > > That might not easily solve this problem. But I wonder if reserving > > > >

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Axy via Python-list
On 16/10/2022 18:43, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 16/10/2022 om 17:03 schreef Avi Gross: Interesting idea, Anton. I would be interested in hearing more detail on how it would work. Although much of programming has been centered on the Latin alphabet and especially English, that may change. I can

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16/10/2022 om 19:01 schreef Peter J. Holzer: On 2022-10-16 12:17:39 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 16/10/2022 om 00:50 schreefavi.e.gr...@gmail.com: That might not easily solve this problem. But I wonder if reserving some kind of prefix might help, so anything like extension.0nNoBreak coul

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16/10/2022 om 17:03 schreef Avi Gross: Interesting idea, Anton. I would be interested in hearing more detail on how it would work. Although much of programming has been centered on the Latin alphabet and especially English, that may change. I can imagine a customized compiler or interprete

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16/10/2022 om 19:03 schreef Chris Angelico: On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 03:57, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 16/10/2022 om 17:05 schreef Chris Angelico: On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 22:47, Antoon Pardon wrote: Why would I need good luck? I expressed an idea and you didn't like it. That won't affect m

Re: Find the path of a shell command [POSTPONED]

2022-10-16 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2022-10-16 17:21:03 +0100, Barry wrote: > > On 16 Oct 2022, at 04:53, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 9:57 PM Cameron Simpson wrote: > > > >>> On 13Oct2022 03:25, Paulo da Silva > >>> wrote: > >>> There is another problem involved. The script, works fine except when >

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread MRAB
On 2022-10-15 23:50, avi.e.gr...@gmail.com wrote: This has been discussed so often precisely because I swear NO CHOICE of keyword would satisfy everybody! Most languages start with designated keywords and some reserve a few for later use. But then things can get frozen in place to avoid breaki

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 03:57, Antoon Pardon wrote: > > > Op 16/10/2022 om 17:05 schreef Chris Angelico: > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 22:47, Antoon Pardon wrote: > >> Why would I need good luck? I expressed an idea and you didn't like it. > >> That won't affect my life in a meaningful way. > > Well,

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2022-10-16 12:17:39 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 16/10/2022 om 00:50 schreef avi.e.gr...@gmail.com: > > That might not easily solve this problem. But I wonder if reserving > > some kind of prefix might help, so anything like extension.0nNoBreak > > could be added to a loop as a final clause

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16/10/2022 om 17:05 schreef Chris Angelico: On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 22:47, Antoon Pardon wrote: Why would I need good luck? I expressed an idea and you didn't like it. That won't affect my life in a meaningful way. Well, with that attitude, it's not going to affect anyone else's life eithe

Re: Find the path of a shell command [POSTPONED]

2022-10-16 Thread Barry
> On 16 Oct 2022, at 04:53, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 9:57 PM Cameron Simpson wrote: > >>> On 13Oct2022 03:25, Paulo da Silva >>> wrote: >>> There is another problem involved. The script, works fine except when >>> launched by cron! Why? >> >> Record the script outpu

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 22:47, Antoon Pardon wrote: > > > > Op 16/10/2022 om 13:03 schreef Chris Angelico: > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 21:19, Antoon Pardon wrote: > > > >> My idea would be to reserve different unicode blocks for the keywords > >> and the identifiers. e.g. We could reserve the mathe

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Avi Gross
Interesting idea, Anton. I would be interested in hearing more detail on how it would work. Although much of programming has been centered on the Latin alphabet and especially English, that may change. I can imagine a customized compiler or interpreter that uses key words in the local language in

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16/10/2022 om 13:03 schreef Chris Angelico: On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 21:19, Antoon Pardon wrote: My idea would be to reserve different unicode blocks for the keywords and the identifiers. e.g. We could reserve the mathematical alphanumeric block for keywords and all other letters and numbe

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 at 21:19, Antoon Pardon wrote: > > Op 16/10/2022 om 00:50 schreef avi.e.gr...@gmail.com: > > This has been discussed so often precisely because I swear NO CHOICE of > > keyword would satisfy everybody! Most languages start with designated > > keywords and some reserve a few f

Re: for -- else: what was the motivation?

2022-10-16 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 16/10/2022 om 00:50 schreef avi.e.gr...@gmail.com: This has been discussed so often precisely because I swear NO CHOICE of keyword would satisfy everybody! Most languages start with designated keywords and some reserve a few for later use. But then things can get frozen in place to avoid br