Re: OT again sorry [Re: Interactive scripts (back on topic for once) [was Re: The "loop and a half"]]

On 10/08/2017 12:43 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: leam hall <leamh...@gmail.com>: "Linux" means so many things to people. Yes, but just because someone can spell it doesn't mean they can redefine it. :) Closer to home, systemd has taken a central role in the main Linux distri

Re: OT again sorry [Re: Interactive scripts (back on topic for once) [was Re: The "loop and a half"]]

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > > The thing that *really* annoys me is Linux insisting on colourising > the output to a tty, since it invariably seems to pick an undreadable > colour scheme. And the case-insensitive sorting... there's a reason

Re: Good virtualenv and packaging tutorials for beginner?

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Ben Finney <ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au> wrote: > Leam Hall <leamh...@gmail.com> writes: > > > Folks on IRC have suggested using virtualenv to test code under > > different python versions. Sadly, I've not found a virtualenv tutorial

Python community "welcoming" feedback

A while back I pointed out some challenges for the Python community's intake of new coders. Mostly focusing on IRC and the Python e-mail list. Several people have stepped up their "welcome" game and I've been very impressed with the way things are going. Great job! Leam --

Good virtualenv and packaging tutorials for beginner?

Folks on IRC have suggested using virtualenv to test code under different python versions. Sadly, I've not found a virtualenv tutorial I understand. Anyone have a link to a good one? The next step will be to figure out how to package a project; a good tutorial URL would be appreciated on

Re: Beginners and experts (Batchelder blog post)

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 10:52 AM, justin walters wrote: > > I got through writing all of the above without realizing that you meant you > wanted to build a > desktop application and not a web application. Though, I think the advice > is still helpful. > > Yes and no.

Re: Beginners and experts (Batchelder blog post)

On 09/28/2017 04:15 AM, Paul Moore wrote: With Python, I'd say that an appreciation of the available libraries is key - both what's in the stdlib, and what's available from PyPI. That's not to say you should memorise the standard library, but rather cultivate an approach of "hmm, I'm pretty sure

Re: Beginners and experts (Batchelder blog post)

On 09/28/2017 07:35 AM, Stefan Ram wrote: But remember that paid programmers usually do not "code", in the sense of "write a program from scratch". Most of the work is maintenance programming, where an important part of the job is to read and understand a piece of code. Coding

Re: Beginners and experts (Batchelder blog post)

My question has received several helpful responses, thanks! On 09/28/2017 01:01 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:41:24 -0400, leam hall <leamh...@gmail.com> declaimed the following: "Programmer"... or "Software Engineer"? I have

Re: Beginners and experts (Batchelder blog post)

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ned Batchelder <n...@nedbatchelder.com> wrote: > On 9/23/17 2:52 PM, Leam Hall wrote: > >> On 09/23/2017 02:40 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: >> >>> https://nedbatchelder.com//blog/201709/beginners_and_experts.html >>> >>>

Re: Beginners and experts (Batchelder blog post)

On 09/23/2017 02:40 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: https://nedbatchelder.com//blog/201709/beginners_and_experts.html Great post. Yup. Thanks for the link. I often have that "I bet Fred> doesn't get frustrated." thing going. Nice to know Ned bangs his head now and again. :P Leam --

Re: Change project licence?

On 09/23/2017 05:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Kryptxy wrote: Thank you all! I opened a ticket about the same (on github). I got response from most of them, and all are agreeing to the change. However, one contributor did not respond at

Re: How to share class relationship representations?

On 09/19/2017 11:16 AM, Stefan Ram wrote: leam hall <leamh...@gmail.com> writes: I'm working on designing the classes, sub-classes, and relationships in my code. What is a good visual way to represent it so it can be stored in git and shared on the list without large images or attac

Re: Research paper "Energy Efficiency across Programming Languages: How does energy, time, and memory relate?"

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Stephan Houben < stephan...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > Op 2017-09-19, Steven D'Aprano schreef pearwood.info>: > > > There is a significant chunk of the Python community for whom "just pip > > install it" is not easy, legal or even

How to share class relationship representations?

I'm working on designing the classes, sub-classes, and relationships in my code. What is a good visual way to represent it so it can be stored in git and shared on the list without large images or attachments? Thanks! Leam -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

The Python-List community

A few days ago I pointed out that this list's community had "opportunities to improve". While we still have lots of those opportunities, it is good to see several community members raise the bar in welcoming new folks into the community. Thank you for your help and positive attitude! Leam --

Re: Unicode

Matt wrote: Hi Leam- > > Targeting Python 2.6 for deployment on RHEL/CentOS 6 is a perfectly > valid use case, and after the recent discussions in multiple threads > (your "Design: method in class or general function?" and INADA Naoki's > "People choosing Python 3"), I doubt it would be very

Re: Unicode

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote: > leam hall wrote: > > > Doesn't seem to work. The failing code takes the strings as is from the > > database. it will occasionally fail when a name comes up that uses > > a non-ascii chara

Re: Unicode

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote: > Leam Hall wrote: > > > On 09/17/2017 08:30 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Leam Hall <leamh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Still trying to keep thi

Re: Old Man Yells At Cloud

Hmm... scratch the "young" and "Javascripters". Why lump them together since I bet it's just a vocal few? Better to have said "people who don't want to really learn the new language". On 09/17/2017 06:03 AM, Leam Hall wrote: Different view, I guess. I'm glad al

Re: Old Man Yells At Cloud

Different view, I guess. I'm glad all the young Javascripters have that issue. As an old guy trying to re-learn more python it gives me an advantage. I'm usually interested in the best thislanguage-native way to do something. Doing so makes me learn the language faster and tends to generate

Re: the core values of the Python "platform"

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Darin Gordon wrote: > Bryan Cantrill gave an interesting talk recently at a Node conference about > "platform values" [1]. The talk lead me to think about what the core values > of the Python "platform" are and I thought it would be good to ask

Re: Python dress

On 09/12/2017 04:00 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Larry Martell writes: https://svahausa.com/collections/shop-by-interest-1/products/python-code-fit-flare-dress (And if any guys want to wear this, there's nothing wrong with that.) Boo, the code is not PEP 8 conformant :-)

Re: The Incredible Growth of Python (stackoverflow.blog)

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Steve D'Aprano <steve+pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:20 pm, Leam Hall wrote: > > > But if someone comes onto the list, or IRC, and says they need to stay > > on Python 2 then please drop the dozens of e-mails and comm

Re: The Incredible Growth of Python (stackoverflow.blog)

On 09/12/2017 08:28 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:20 pm, Leam Hall wrote: But if someone comes onto the list, or IRC, and says they need to stay on Python 2 then please drop the dozens of e-mails and comments about upgrading. [...] My recent experience with some people's

Re: The Incredible Growth of Python (stackoverflow.blog)

Steve, Thank you very much. I appreciate your wisdom and support. Leam -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Design: method in class or general function?

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > Leam Hall <leamh...@gmail.com> writes: > >Haven't read the GoF book. Last time I checked it said "this is only > >useful if you know Java" > > In the edition of

Python in Perspective

y'all, My god-kids and their proginators lost most everything because of Harvey. I spent much of yesterday worrying about a friend who had gone quiet as he evacuated his family ahead of Irma. Please keep Python in perspective. Whether we use 1.5 or 4rc1 is a lot less critical than using

Re: Using Python 2

Various responses in no particular order: On 09/08/2017 09:57 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: I've heard a lot of FUD about the Python 3 transition, but this one is new to me.  What is it that CompSci folks want that developers don't want, that ruined Python 3? It's not FUD if it's true. Calling

Re: Using Python 2

On 09/08/2017 06:40 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Leam Hall <leamh...@gmail.com>: However, those millions of servers are running Python 2.6 and a smaller number running 2.7. At least in the US market since Red Hat Enterprise Linux and its derivatives run 2.6.6 (RHEL 6) or 2.7.5 (RHEL 7). No

Re: Design: method in class or general function?

On 09/08/2017 03:06 AM, Peter Otten wrote: I'm pleading "method" as it allows per-class implementation. Peter, as always you are a wealth of information! I have some extra time today to digest your notes and visualize tap dancing Marines. Thank you! --

Re: Design: method in class or general function?

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Steve D'Aprano <steve+pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 07:20 pm, Leam Hall wrote: > > > OOP newbie on Python 2.6. > > Python 2.6 is ancient, and is missing many nice features. You should > consider > using the latest

Re: doctest random output?

On 08/28/2017 11:40 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: ... a bunch of good stuff ... I'm (re-)learning python and just trying make sure my function works. Not at the statistical or cryptographic level. :) Thanks! Leam -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

doctest random output?

Is this a good way to test if random numeric output? It seems to work under Python 2.6 and 3.6 but that doesn't make it 'good'. ### Code import random def my_thing(): """ Return a random number from 1-6 >>> 0 < my_thing() <=6 True >>> 6 < my_thing() False """ return

Re: SQLObject 3.4.0

#I'm pleased to announce version 3.4.0, the first stable release of branch #3.4 of SQLObject. # # #What's new in SQLObject #=== # #* Python 2.6 is no longer supported. The minimal supported version is # Python 2.7. Is there a particular reason to eliminate RHEL 6 (Python 2.6)

Re: PyYaml not using Yaml 1.2?

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > Getting in to Ansible and back into Python. Ansible uses pyyaml which > says > > it parses yaml version 1.1. Is there a reason it doesn't do yaml version > > 1.2? > > Nobody's done the work? Note that on the

PyYaml not using Yaml 1.2?

Getting in to Ansible and back into Python. Ansible uses pyyaml which says it parses yaml version 1.1. Is there a reason it doesn't do yaml version 1.2? Thanks! Leam -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list