On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:23:01 -0700, Westley Martínez wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 08:01 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Martin Gregorie
>> wrote:
>> > I think the only real evil is to set out to make a non-standards-
>> > compli
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:01:42 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Martin Gregorie
> wrote:
>> I think the only real evil is to set out to make a non-standards-
>> compliant server and then design client software that seeks to lock in
>> people
ly set out to do. Judging from stories over the years of lost
code (the Win98 New Year problem) and the general slackness of their
project management, its equally possible its simply the result of out of
control, anarchic and undocumented software development.
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control the display by emitting escape codes - without it the DOS screen
was treated as a glass teletype.
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ot;There is no VT200 as
such; the VT220 is a text terminal, while the VT240 and VT241 are
graphics terminals, supporting Digital’s ReGIS graphics and Tektronix
vector graphics." which I read to mean that a 240/241 wouldn't accept the
same command set as the 220.
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:32:53 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2011-03-11, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> BTW, there was no such thing as a VT-200 - there was a VT-220 text
>> terminal (which I think the OP was remembering) and the VT-240 and 241
>> terminals, which were to
with some extensions.
>
I got that wrong: ANSI defined the VT-100 control codes. See above.
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:52:13 +, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-03-10, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:31:11 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>>> You tricked me by saying only DEC VAX/VMS programmers would know what
>>> it was. In fact,
ended ascii, as did IBM-DOS.
>
> Strange the history one remembers.
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cessor world too, together with
assorted clones. In addition, many other terminals had a VT-100 emulation
mode. IIRC all the Wyse terminals had that.
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wk processes a text file line by line, automatically splitting each line
into an array of words. It uses regexes to recognise lines and trigger
actions on them. For example, building a list of visitors: assume there's
a line containing "username logged on", you could build a list
ot set iterations :-)
>>
>> That should be: pi plus-or-minus e
>
> It was in my reader. Perhaps your server has encoding trouble?
Same here (Pan reader, Fedora 14).
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er path you should investigate popen.
It is part of the os module. You could design the server so a suitable
request runs LaTeX via popen, captures the stdout and stderr output, if
any, and returns that and the LaTeX termination status code to the client
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can get one request through, and I assume (you didn't say) that
a second request is also accepted without restarting the server.
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T,socket.SOCK_STREAM)
> sock.connect((ip,port))
> sock.send(message)
> for line in line_buffer(sock):
> print line
> sock.close()
>
> if __name__ == '__main__':
> message = ' '.join(sys.argv[1:])
be believed. If the
Python e-mail module lets you, set it to use lenient parsing. If this
isn't an option you may well find yourself having to fix up messages
before you can parse them successfully.
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:25:52 -0500, Bob Kline wrote:
> On 1/20/2011 3:48 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> That's only a problem if your code cares about the composition of the
>> whitespace and this, IMO is incorrect behaviour. When the separator
>> between syntact
t returning the same value
> in the two cases above the module is not "regarding CRLF immediately
> followed by a LWSP-char as equivalent to the LWSP-char."
>
That's only a problem if your code cares about the composition of the
whitespace and this, IMO is incorrect behaviour. When the separator
between syntactic elements in a header is 'whitespace' it should not
matter what combination of newlines, tabs and spaces make up the
whitespace element.
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GB RAM, LG DVD drive, new 160GB hdd and runs Fedora 13. It
is a bit slow at runlevel 5 (graphical desktop) when driven from its own
console, but I usually access it over the house net from a more modern
Core Duo laptop that runs Fedora 14. The NetVista is more than adequate
for web and RDBMS d
ors between adjacent matching strings. I tried non-greedy
matching, e.g. r'(spam*?)*', but this was worse, so I'll be interested to
see how the real regex mavens do it.
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ready for further processing.
I've used this technique reliably with files arriving via FTP at quite
high rates.
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Any BASIC that implements ON ERROR (i.e. just about all of them) will do
this, not just VB.
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t need 2 because
you can have your simple web server and program running in a console
window on your desktop PC while you hammer it from your web browser.
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the same session and keep each
session's context separate. The web server doesn't do this, so this
managing session context is the application's responsibility. Common
methods are to use a session cookie and/or to store session context in
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ter would be a better place to start: once its
running you simply point your browser at localhost:80 and send it the URL
of the initial page of your application.
Search on "Python web server" for details of building or downloading a
simple one. You'll also find stuff about interfacing Python programs to a
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irectly interpreted by the command processor, and .EXE
or .COM files, which must be compiled before they can be run. AFAIK
there's no way you can mark anything else, such as an awk, Perl or Python
source file, as executable since there is no 'executable' attribute in
an
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:07:05 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:21:47 +, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> I use 'script' to refer to programs written in languages that don't
>> have a separate compile phase which must be run before the
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:41:51 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2010-11-18, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:16:34 +, MRAB wrote:
>>
>>> I'd probably say that a "script" is a program which is normally not
>>> interactive: you jus
Perl programs are scripts aloing with programs
written as awk, Javascript and bash scripts.
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be adjacent
- use the first field as the key to an array and put the start time
and CPU count in that element. When a matching stop line is found
you, retrieve the array element, calculate and output or total the
usage figure for that run and delete the array element.
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Seems the German
> translation sucks (misses a lot) and my copy lacks the original dub.
>
While you're at it, pick up the video of "Monty Python and the Holy
Grail". the project name, Unladen Swallow, is a reference to the film.
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hile applying different
processing rules depending on line content and/or generating summaries.
> Before I attack this myself, has anyone done
> something along these lines I could piggyback upon?
>
I haven't seen such a comparison, but that doesn't meant that they don&#x
www.solmetra.com/scripts/regex/
may be useful when you're experimenting with regexes or testing them.
Perl regexes are similar enough to Python regexes for this tool to be
useful here.
Without examples of text that the regex is intended to match its
difficult to say more.
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can write Fortran programs in any
language."
- from "Real Programmers don't use Pascal".
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:58:06 -0800, alex23 wrote:
> Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> Now, if ESR had fixed fetchmail [...]
>
> Did you try submitting patches?
Nope. I'd already seen comments that bug reports etc. are ignored and
tried getmail. Since that does the needful,
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:01:05 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message , Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> ...and don't forget getmail, a better behaved replacement for
>> fetchmail.
>
> I was just looking this up in the Getmail FAQ, since I didn’t know about
&g
ng to stop
> `new_zealand' from becoming a TLD at some point (the underscore makes it
> unlikely, I grant). If you'd mangled the local part, or used an
> explicitly reserved TLD such as `example', then there wouldn't be a
> problem.
>
Using the .invalid TLD is a generally
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:59:02 +, Nobody wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:07:58 +0000, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> FWIW the thing that really irritated me about fetchmail is the way it
>> only deletes messages at the end of a session and never cleans up after
>> itself.
pleased to find that Python already has the
optparse module. Using it is a no-brainer, particularly as it makes quite
a good fist of being self-documenting and of spitting out a nicely
formatted chunk of help text when asked to do so.
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 00:47:08 +, brf256 wrote:
> Mailman is of course.
>
...and don't forget getmail, a better behaved replacement for fetchmail.
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me problem in Java and it has exactly the same root: a lazy
programmer who can't be arsed to document his code.
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t; Using what client (or web client)?
>>
>> Emacs, of course :-;
>
> Slrn, of course.
Pan since I'm on Linux.
Agent if I was still a Windows user. Its the best news reader I've used.
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print "hello world"
> def foo():
> print "foo()"
> foo()
> EOF
> $
Or even better:
$ cat hello
#!/usr/bin/python
print "hello world"
def foo():
print "foo()"
foo()
$ chmod u+x hello
$ hello
hello world
foo()
$
which saves an un
ical, you do the same as above and also tell the
launcher that the program must run in a console window. Simple. Logical.
Concise.
I assume that what I've just described applies to OS X and virtually all
other graphical desktops: I wouldn't know from personal experience
because I do
ut
> the print architecture so popenlp is not an option]. I just want to
> send the data from a file handle to a remote IPP queue as a print job.
See RFC 2910.
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ingle list for all types of
object, in which case the object itself would be very small indeed.
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:27:17 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message , Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:36:34 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> In message <4cb5e659$0$1650$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, John Nagle
>>
into the null trap - sorry - because I actually meant to
generalise the discussion into ways of getting a range of unwanted
characters into a file name and why its unwise to use a filename without
checking it for characters the OS doesn't like before creating a file
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:14:13 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2010-10-15, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:02:07 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-10-15, Steven D'Aprano
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the Unix world, w
e name, or a NULL byte.
>
> How do you create a file with a name that contains a NULL byte?
Use a language or program that doesn't use null-terminated strings.
Its quite easy in many BASICs, which often delimit strings by preceeding
it with a with a byte count, and you hit Ctrl-SPA
eration since, after a crash,
the table changes can always be recovered from a journal roll-forward. A
good DBMS will do that automatically when its restarted.
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'rings of protection' which meant the OS could affect your code but you
couldn't touch it and the OS in turn couldn't touch the hardware drivers
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s an interface to unixODBC
and a Data Manager utility that configures ODBC data sources. The
documentation for the module is poor but the module and utility both work
well once you've figured out how to use them.
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ut any suggestions or examples are most welcome :)
>
There's probably something I've forgotten, but that list should get you
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consequently works with
standard MySQL ODBC drivers.
iODBC: http://www.iodbc.org/ is similar
If you want something that's Windows compatible I can't help: I don't use
either Windows or MySQL.
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area of COBOL is a mess.
PL/I specifies the main procedure with an OPTIONS(MAIN) clause and
declares the integer ARGC_ and pointer ARGV_ variables in it, which are
used like their C equivalents.
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Rince, wash, repeat.
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hases are
overrunning a sensible estimate or if the initial costing and estimation
is underestimating the project size?
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factorial.__doc__
for n in range(1,10):
print "%d! = %d" % (n, r_factorial(n))
-
In case you're wondering "print i_factorial.__doc__"
prints the docstring out of the i_factorial subroutine.
You probably haven't covered that yet, but run it and see.
ics to which he was replying) which
> treat the step size as a true size, not a size and direction. The
> direction is determined from the start and stop parameters. It's an
> almost-reasonable design.
That wasn't a made-up example: AFAICR and ignoring a missing semi-colon
it w
the top of your sig, i.e. use "-- ", not "--"? That way most news readers
will automatically remove your sig when replying to your post.
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:33:51 +1200, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Ian Kelly wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Martin Gregorie
>> wrote:
>
>>> real sample[-500:750];
>
>> Ugh, no. The ability to change the minimum index is evil.
>
> Not alway
al sample[-500:750];
and Algol 68 went even further:
flex [1:0] int count
where the array bounds change dynamically with each assignment to
'count'. Iteration is supported by the lwb and upb operators which return
the bounds of an array, so you can write:
for i from l
s of the
programming language used. However, don't just listen to me: read the
final report on Ariane 501 here:
http://www.di.unito.it/~damiani/ariane5rep.html
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e you an idea of how complex this is, I've re-implemented termcap
in Java for my own purposes. It amounts to 1100 lines of fairly well
spaced and commented Java or about 340 statements, which were estimated
by counting lines containing semicolons.
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o Linux, PostgreSQL, ODBC, C or Java.
My rig and software:
Linux: Fedora 12 Where I'm running Python and ODBC,
Lenovo Thinkpad R61i: Core Duo.
Fedora 10 Where PostgreSQL is installed,
IBM NetVista: Pentium III.
PostgreSQL: 8.3
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witch.html
What you're talking is a flat handle on a SPST or DPST toggle switch. It
is often called a paddle switch and mounted with the flats on the handle
horizontal. Like this, but often with a longer handle:
http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/1382717/art/radioshack/spdt-panel-mount-
pa
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:22:05 -0400, John W Kennedy wrote:
> Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:06:28 -0400, John W Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>>> Not necessarily. An awful lot of CPU cycles were used before
>>>>
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:06:28 -0400, John W Kennedy wrote:
> Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> Not necessarily. An awful lot of CPU cycles were used before microcode
>> was introduced. Mainframes and minis designed before about 1970 didn't
>> use or need it
>
> No, most
3 clock cycles per instruction.
Motorola 6800 and 6809 (no microcode or pipelines either, 1 byte fetch)
average 4 - 5 cycles/instruction.
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t a boot ROM became
> available for the PDP-11 (as an expensive option!) -and only much later
> still for the PDP-8 series (e.g., the MI8E for the PDP-8/E).
>
> -
> Rob Warnock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 627 26th Avenue http://rpw3.org/> S
the assembler
> again. (SPS, the non-macro basic assembler, ran at about 70 lines a
> minute, tops.)
>
Even a steam powered 1901 (3.6 uS for a half-word add IIRC) running a
tape based assembler was faster than that. It could just about keep up
with a 300 cpm card reader.
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>> that time -- but for general programming it was sheer horror.
>
> But the easiest machine language /ever/.
What? Even easier than ICL 1900 PLAN or MC68000 assembler? That would be
difficult to achieve.
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not have a mechanism for declaring anonymous procedures. That, like
the incorporation of machine code inserts, would have been a
compiler-specific extension, so it is a terminological mistake to refer to
it without specifying the implementing compiler.
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Ilya Zakharevich wrote:
> My point is that attributing something to SH due to it appearing in
> ABHoT is like attributing it to you since it was mentioned in your
> post...
>
OK, so who should it be attributed to?
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Ilya Zakharevich wrote:
> [A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
> Martin Gregorie
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>], who wrote in article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Its in "A Short History of Time". Sorry I can't quote chapter or page,
>> but a frien
ot recollect them related to SH.
>
Its in "A Short History of Time". Sorry I can't quote chapter or page,
but a friend borrowed my copy and lent me Dawkins "Climbing Mount
Improbable" before vanishing, never to be seen since. Not an equal
exchange: I preferred ASHOT to CMI.
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number.
BTW, be sure to distinguish Julian Day and Modified Julian Day (used by
astronomers from the "Julian Date" that [used to] be used by IBM
mainframes. The former is a day count but the latter is day within year
(yyddd). JD and MJD are described in:
http://tycho.usno.nav
Roedy Green wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:47:36 +0100, Martin Gregorie
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
> someone who said :
>
>> GPS time is UTC time and I'd assume the same is true for Loran.
>
> not according to this site that has
Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:04:50 +0100, Martin Gregorie
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
> someone who said :
>
>> TAI? Care to provide a reference?
>
> see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/tai.html
>
Thanks.
Your list of N
UTC. Zulu is the international radio word for the letter Z.
I've never seen Julian time used outside the world of IBM mainframes.
I'd be interested to know who else uses it.
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Paul Rubin wrote:
> Martin Gregorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> Same one already given: http://cr.yp.to/proto/utctai.html
>>
>> Nope - you referenced leap seconds, not TAI and not that URL
>
> Oh whoops, I thought I put that url further up in the thre
compared afterwards
the errors in the traveling clocks agreed with theory within
experimental error. See:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html
for more detail. This shows the clocks don't have to be moving at
interplanetary speeds to be significantly affected.
Paul Rubin wrote:
> Same one already given: http://cr.yp.to/proto/utctai.html
Nope - you referenced leap seconds, not TAI and not that URL
Thanks for the reference, though.
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Paul Rubin wrote:
> Martin Gregorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>> pretend the leap seconds never happened, just as Java does.
>>> Which leaves you about 30 seconds out by now - smelly.
>> Easy solution: always read Zulu time directly from a recognized
&g
d with every
mouse click in case it was needed to record a macro. At best it might
make macro recording tedious. At worst it could make the whole GUI
unresponsive.
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eivers
have serial interfaces.
This is certainly accurate for financial transactions: the UK CHAPS
inter-bank network has a Rugby MSF receiver in each bank's gateway
computer and uses that for all timestamps.
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iving up and writing .BAT
files or putting up with RSI. The problem was that it recorded
keystrokes and mouse clicks. Even minor changes to the screen layout
made it fail and the macros couldn't be edited or parameterised nor made
to prompt for filenames, etc.
You can do better with Gnome,
Twisted wrote:
> On Jun 23, 10:36 am, Martin Gregorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> Actually, what I prefer in (2D and 3D) visual design apps is the
> ability to snap to some kind of grid/existing vertices, and to zoom in
> close. Then small imprecisions in mouse
#x27;t before Win 95 appeared and they then spoilt the record
by arbitrary and capricious menu changes as each version of MS Office
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s" that traverse menu levels without
showing the menus, as long as items are selected correctly from each
level. Many CAD systems approximate to this but I've yet to see a
graphical desktop, IDE, or editor menu structure that came close.
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ait-mode black and
white screen and a three button mouse. That was the first GUI I saw
(next was an Apple Lisa in 1984). The PERQ was dead easy to use after
about 5 minutes instruction.
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Bjorn Borud wrote:
> [Martin Gregorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
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> | As for documentation, lets look at vi. Not a great editor, but every
> | *nix variation has it installed and any fool can learn to use it in
> | about 2 hours flat and it does at least have good pattern matchi
I'd give long odds that Windows users who use editors other than Wordpad
are using the one that came with whatever IDE they've installed, simply
because integrated editors are much more common in Windows-only IDEs
that they are on *nixen. My guess is that this is because the standar
eady-wacky car with the two separate
> throttles and adding, in a fit of quaint nostalgia, the need to
> actually crank-start its engine. ;)
>
If you can't learn enough vi to get by with in half a morning you're
probably well out of your depth here on comp.lang.java.programmer.
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