Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-10-02 Thread Michael
Fredrik Lundh wrote: ... > fwiw, they've also been around for ages: > > http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?list+comprehension > > (the name goes back to the early eighties, the construct is older than > that) Ahh... Fair enough. I hadn't come across it as a programming construct un

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-10-02 Thread Fredrik Lundh
"Michael" wrote: > List comprehensions get their name (AFAICT) very clearly from set > comprehensions in mathematics. As a result anyone who has ever seen > a set comprehension in maths goes "oooh, I see". They're not the same, but > IMO they're close enough to warrant that name. fwiw, they've al

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-10-02 Thread Michael
Xah Lee wrote: > as i have hinted > ( http://xahlee.org/perl-python/list_comprehension.html ), the > so-called List Comprehension is just a irregular syntax to facilitate > generating lists. The name is a terrible jargon, and the means is also > quite fucked up. The proper name should be something

Re: OT: Phases of the moon [was Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum]

2005-10-02 Thread Matija Papec
X-Ftn-To: Paul F. Dietz "Paul F. Dietz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As a similar example: I've been told by various women independently, >> that "there are more babies born near a full moon." > >That's also a myth. Perhaps not, consider deamon or vampire babies. :) --

Re: [OT] A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-10-02 Thread Matt Garrish
"Lucas Raab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Xah Lee wrote: > > [snip] > >>(they tried, with their limited implementation of lambda and >> shun it like a plaque) > > Can't say I've heard that expression before... > Burns: I'm afraid it's not that simple. As punishm

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-10-02 Thread Lucas Raab
Xah Lee wrote: [snip] >(they tried, with their limited implementation of lambda and > shun it like a plaque) Can't say I've heard that expression before... -- -- Lucas Raab lvraab"@"earthlink.net dotpyFE"@"gmail.com AIM:Phoenix11890 MSN:dotpyfe "@" gmail.com IRC

Re: OT: Phases of the moon [was Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum]

2005-10-01 Thread Running Bare
Ulrich Hobelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When TV is turned off by a power failure, lots of people that > usually never have sex start making love, and lots of people that > usually use contraception lose their minds and forget about it. > > 9 months later more babies are born, unless that's

Re: OT: Phases of the moon [was Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum]

2005-10-01 Thread Ulrich Hobelmann
Paul F. Dietz wrote: > Bart Lateur wrote: > >> As a similar example: I've been told by various women independently, >> that "there are more babies born near a full moon." > > That's also a myth. Right, everybody knows that it's not natural (moon) light that influences reproductive behavior, it'

Re: OT: Phases of the moon [was Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum]

2005-10-01 Thread Paul F. Dietz
Bart Lateur wrote: > As a similar example: I've been told by various women independently, > that "there are more babies born near a full moon." That's also a myth. Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-10-01 Thread gene tani
(posted c.l.python ONLY) Xah (may i call you Xah?) SOrry to say, but your older posts were much funnier: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/browse_frm/thread/15f7015d23a6758e/9ee26da60295d7c8?lnk=st&q=&rnum=5&hl=en#9ee26da60295d7c8 (also seems your anti-cult cult really hasn't gotten

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-10-01 Thread Xah Lee
the programers in the industry, including bigwigs such as Guido or that Larry Wall fuckhead, really don't know shit about computer languages. Sometimes i get pissed by Stephen Wolfram's megalomaniac cries, but in many ways, i think his statements about the fucking moronicities of the academicians a

Re: OT: Phases of the moon [was Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum]

2005-10-01 Thread Bart Lateur
Steven D'Aprano wrote: >A skeptical policeman who says he doesn't actually believe the moon >affects behaviour nevertheless reports that "last weekend" things were >really crazy, and it was a full moon. Somebody writes in to correct him: >no, the full moon is actually "tomorrow". As a similar exa

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-10-01 Thread Gerrit Holl
Tony Meyer wrote: > X-Spambayes-Classification: ham; 0.008 > > On 30/09/2005, at 10:56 PM, Gerrit Holl wrote: > > Tony Meyer wrote: > >> X-Spambayes-Classification: ham; 0.048 > > Unless I'm misreading things, that's *my* message that scored 0.048 > (the "from:addr:ihug.co.nz", "from:name:tony

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have an excellent idea. Create your own programming language and do whatever you want with it. Until then, I'm thinking that Guido can do whatever he wants with his. But I'm guessing that your programming skills will be in the same place as your greatness - in your own head. -- http://mail.pyth

Re: OT: Phases of the moon [was Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum]

2005-09-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:02:14 -0400, Sherm Pendley wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >> I wonder if his postings are related to the phases of the moon? It > >> might explain a lot. > > > > Yes, it would. Note that the word lunatic is derived from the Latin word >

OT: Phases of the moon [was Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum]

2005-09-30 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:02:14 -0400, Sherm Pendley wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> I wonder if his postings are related to the phases of the moon? It >> might explain a lot. > > Yes, it would. Note that the word lunatic is derived from the Latin word > luna, meaning moon. Yes, lunatic is

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread Tony Meyer
On 30/09/2005, at 10:56 PM, Gerrit Holl wrote: > Tony Meyer wrote: > >> X-Spambayes-Classification: ham; 0.048 >> X-Spambayes-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'bug.': 0.07; >> 'flagged': 0.07; >> "i'd": 0.08; 'bayes': 0.09; 'from:addr:ihug.co.nz': 0.09; >> 'really,': 0.09; 'cc:no real

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread Mike Meyer
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [off-list] > > Peter Hansen wrote: >> Gerrit Holl wrote: >> >>>True. However, most mail to this mailinglist has less than 0.001 spam >>>probability. As you can see, this one had 0.048 - a vast score, almost >>>enough to put it in my unsure box. It seems t

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread dimitri pater
that's lunatic, of course (check spelling is not in my system yet)On 10/1/05, dimitri pater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, it would. Note that the word lunatic is derived from the Latin wordluna, meaning moon. so, he is a just another lunitac barking at the moon? well, err barking at the python

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread dimitri pater
Yes, it would. Note that the word lunatic is derived from the Latin wordluna, meaning moon. so, he is a just another lunitac barking at the moon? well, err barking at the python list... greetz, dimitri -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread Sherm Pendley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I wonder if his postings are related to the phases of the moon? It > might explain a lot. Yes, it would. Note that the word lunatic is derived from the Latin word luna, meaning moon. sherm-- -- Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net Hire me! My

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread John J. Lee
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm responding off-list No you're not! Sorry if I missed some subtle joke here... John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread Pietro Campesato
Jorge Godoy wrote: > His intent was never to convince people or pass information. On comp.lang.lisp Xah Lee is a well known troll... don't feed him :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread Anonymous Coward
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In comp.lang.perl.misc Kalle Anke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:44:28 +0200, Matt wrote >>(in article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>): > > > >>>OK... your post seems to indicate a belief that everyone else is >>>somehow incompetent. Sounds a bit like the

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread axel
In comp.lang.perl.misc Kalle Anke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:44:28 +0200, Matt wrote > (in article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>): >> OK... your post seems to indicate a belief that everyone else is >> somehow incompetent. Sounds a bit like the "I am sane, it is everyone >> else wh

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread Kalle Anke
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:44:28 +0200, Matt wrote (in article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>): > OK... your post seems to indicate a belief that everyone else is > somehow incompetent. Sounds a bit like the "I am sane, it is everyone > else who is crazy" concept. Can you suggest a technology or > technologist w

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread Steve Holden
[off-list] Peter Hansen wrote: > Gerrit Holl wrote: > >>True. However, most mail to this mailinglist has less than 0.001 spam >>probability. As you can see, this one had 0.048 - a vast score, almost >>enough to put it in my unsure box. It seems to be just not hammy enough. >>It's interesting to s

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread Peter Hansen
Gerrit Holl wrote: > True. However, most mail to this mailinglist has less than 0.001 spam > probability. As you can see, this one had 0.048 - a vast score, almost > enough to put it in my unsure box. It seems to be just not hammy enough. > It's interesting to see that no none of the foul language

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread Gerrit Holl
Tony Meyer wrote: > X-Spambayes-Classification: ham; 0.048 > X-Spambayes-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'bug.': 0.07; 'flagged': > 0.07; > "i'd": 0.08; 'bayes': 0.09; 'from:addr:ihug.co.nz': 0.09; > 'really,': 0.09; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.14; > 'from:addr:t-meyer': 0.16;

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-30 Thread Christos Georgiou
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:50:45 +1000, rumours say that "Delaney, Timothy (Tim)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> might have written: >You have to admit though, he's remarkably good at getting past >Spambayes. Despite classifying *every* Xah Lee post as spam, he still >manages to get most of his posts classified

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Bill Mill
On 9/29/05, Tim Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 29 Sep 2005 07:24:17 -0700, Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Of course, you begin to write things like Java, in three thousand words > > just to state you are a moron. > > > > > > +1 QOTW. > > Tim > -1 XLEGQOTW (Xah Lee Ever Getting

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Tony Meyer
> I know nobody wants to do add "white/black-listing", so we can do it > probabilistically. In case it is not obvious, mailings with the words > "jargon" or "moron" and their derrivatives should be flagged as 99.9% > probability for Moronicity Xha Lee, Jargonizer, spam. If spam bayes > can't > fi

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread James Stroud
I know nobody wants to do add "white/black-listing", so we can do it probabilistically. In case it is not obvious, mailings with the words "jargon" or "moron" and their derrivatives should be flagged as 99.9% probability for Moronicity Xha Lee, Jargonizer, spam. If spam bayes can't figure this

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Tim Leslie
On 29 Sep 2005 07:24:17 -0700, Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Of course, you begin to write things like Java, in three thousand wordsjust to state you are a moron. +1 QOTW. Tim -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread François Pinard
[Delaney, Timothy (Tim)] > Tony Meyer wrote: > > It's made worse because he uses so many words that you'd expect to > > find in legitimate c.l.p messages. > It's this last bit that's the problem. I've got no problems filtering > other types of spam messages to the list, but XL adds so many non-sp

RE: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
Tony Meyer wrote: > I expect that if you look at the clues for such messages, you'll find > that any 'Xah Lee' clues are swamped by lots of 'c.l.p message' > clues. A big problem with filtering mailing lists at the user end > (rather than before the post is accepted) is that the mailing > softwar

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Tony Meyer
On 30/09/2005, at 9:50 AM, Delaney, Timothy (Tim) wrote: > You have to admit though, he's remarkably good at getting past > Spambayes. Despite classifying *every* Xah Lee post as spam, he still > manages to get most of his posts classified as 0% or 1% spam. I can't believe that people are using c

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:44:28 -0700, Matt wrote: > OK... your post seems to indicate a belief that everyone else is > somehow incompetent. Sounds a bit like the "I am sane, it is everyone > else who is crazy" concept. Can you suggest a technology or > technologist who, in your expert opinion, has g

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Shane Hathaway
Delaney, Timothy (Tim) wrote: > You have to admit though, he's remarkably good at getting past > Spambayes. Despite classifying *every* Xah Lee post as spam, he still > manages to get most of his posts classified as 0% or 1% spam. Hmm, perhaps he's using steganography. Maybe the emails actually

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:13:51 -0400, Bill Mill wrote: >> But, this post of his shows [Guido's] haughtiness > > +1 IQOTW > > (Ironic Quote Of The Week. Thanks for the laughs, Xah) I swore I wouldn't feed the troll by responding to his post, but the opportunity to quote from "The Princess Bride"

RE: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
Sherm Pendley wrote: > "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> OK... your post seems to indicate a belief that everyone else is >> somehow incompetent. > > Xah's just a troll - best to just ignore him. He posts these diatribes > to multiple groups hoping to start a fight. You have to admit thou

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Sherm Pendley
"Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > OK... your post seems to indicate a belief that everyone else is > somehow incompetent. Xah's just a troll - best to just ignore him. He posts these diatribes to multiple groups hoping to start a fight. sherm-- -- Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbone

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Matt
Xah Lee wrote: >There are quite a lot f___ing liers and charlatans in the computing >industry, especially the OpenSourcers, from the f___ing >a-dime-a-million students with their "FREE" irresponsible homeworks >on the net to f___heads like James Gosling of Java , Larry Wall of >Perl, Linus Torvolts

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Bill Mill
> But, this post of his shows [Guido's] haughtiness +1 IQOTW (Ironic Quote Of The Week. Thanks for the laughs, Xah) Peace Bill Mill bill.mill at gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Xah Lee
addendum: reduce() in fact embodies a form of iteration/recursion on lists, very suitable in a functional language environment. If Python's lambda and other functional facilities are more powerful, reduce() would be a good addition. For instance, in functional programing, it is a paradigm to nest

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Gerrit Holl
Xah Lee wrote: > ...What the fuck is the former? > ...What the fuck would anyone to > ...]”, is rather inane, as you can now see. > > ...What the fuck does it mean... > ...you begin to write things like Java... Can you please alter the tone of your voice? Gerrit. -- Temperature in Luleå, Norrb

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Jorge Godoy
Michael Goettsche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 29 September 2005 16:24, Xah Lee wrote: > > A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum > > > > Xah Lee, 200509 > > > > Assuming you want to reach people to convince them your position is right, > wh

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread dataw0lf
Michael Goettsche wrote: > Assuming you want to reach people to convince them your position is right, > why > don't you try that in proper language? "moron" occured 7 times in your not > too long text, that doesn't let you look like a tech moron or a math moron, > but just like a moron. Actua

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Michael Goettsche
On Thursday 29 September 2005 16:24, Xah Lee wrote: > A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum > > Xah Lee, 200509 > Assuming you want to reach people to convince them your position is right, why don't you try that in proper language? "moron" occured 7 times in your not too

A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Xah Lee
A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum Xah Lee, 200509 On Guido van Rossum's website: http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=98196 dated 20050826, he muses with the idea that he would like to remove lambda, reduce(), filter() and map() constructs in a future version Python 3000.