Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-09-05 Thread Tony Flury via Python-list
On 08/08/2020 18:18, Marco Sulla wrote: Thank you, some features are interesting, even if I prefer the Python syntax. What about the compiler? Is it better to "compile" to C or to bytecode? How can I generate a bytecode that can be compiled by gcc? Can I skip the AST generation for now,

Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-09 Thread 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE
On 2020-08-10 at 09:02:57 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > If you *really* want to get away from ints-as-objects, what I would > recommend is emulating it. Some languages pretend that everything's an > object, but for small integers (say, those less than 2**60), it > doesn't store the object

Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-09 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:46 AM Marco Sulla wrote: > This is another big problem: everything is an object? > It seems that in practice, using integers and floats as objects leads > to great slowdowns. And personally I never saw people that created > superclasses of int or float. Anyway, if they

Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-09 Thread 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE
On 2020-08-09 at 13:07:03 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 09:31:04 +0100, Barry Scott > declaimed the following: > > > > >By going to C you are really saying you want to use the native instructions > >of your CPU. > >Contrast that with bytecode that needs an interpreter.

Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-09, Marco Sulla wrote: > On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 at 10:31, Barry Scott wrote: >> By going to C you are really saying you want to use the native >> instructions of your CPU. Contrast that with bytecode that needs >> an interpreter. > > This is also an answer for Grant Edwards: the idea

Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 8/9/2020 12:44 PM, Marco Sulla wrote: Do you think py devs will be greatly bored if I link this discussion in the python-dev mailing list? Don't. This is neither about language development (and proposals initially go to python-ideas) nor about immediate cpython development -- Terry

Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-09 Thread Marco Sulla
On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 at 10:31, Barry Scott wrote: > By going to C you are really saying you want to use the native instructions > of your CPU. > Contrast that with bytecode that needs an interpreter. This is also an answer for Grant Edwards: the idea was to generate bytecode and compile it to

Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-09 Thread Barry Scott
> On 8 Aug 2020, at 18:18, Marco Sulla wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 14:10, Barry wrote: On 7 Aug 2020, at 23:28, Marco Sulla wrote: >>> My idea seems to be very simple (so probably it's not simple at all): >>> a language similar to Python, but statically compiled. >> >> Have a look

Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-07, Marco Sulla wrote: > My core ideas are: > > 1. Statically compiled (of course...). So if you write: > > var a = 1 > > the variable `a` is an integer and it's value can't be changed to > anything that is not an integer That's "statically typed". It has nothing to do with whether

Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-08 Thread Marco Sulla
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 14:10, Barry wrote: > >> On 7 Aug 2020, at 23:28, Marco Sulla wrote: > > My idea seems to be very simple (so probably it's not simple at all): > > a language similar to Python, but statically compiled. > > Have a look at Apple’s Swift. It reminds me of python as I read it.

Re: Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-08 Thread Barry
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 23:28, Marco Sulla wrote: > Let me first say that I don't know if my post is on topic with the > mailing list. If so, please inform me. > > My idea seems to be very simple (so probably it's not simple at all): > a language similar to Python, but statically compiled. > >

Any ideas for a new language inspired to Python?

2020-08-07 Thread Marco Sulla
Let me first say that I don't know if my post is on topic with the mailing list. If so, please inform me. My idea seems to be very simple (so probably it's not simple at all): a language similar to Python, but statically compiled. (Yes, I know Cython, RPython, Julia, Rust...) Since I've not