Title: RE: Best GUI for small-scale accounting app?
From: Paul Rubin [mailto:http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid]
This still seems way too complicated. Why execute a bunch of separate
statements when what you're trying to set up is a single structure?
IMHO, i think that the code to create
Title: RE: Best GUI for small-scale accounting app?
But even then, if DaBo ever becomes as easy to use as Delphi/VB for this
type of applications, while remaining cross-platform, that might easily
double the number of Python developers. ;-)
VB/delphi are ridiculous. dont' aim
Title: RE: Best GUI for small-scale accounting app?
- speed where it matters (ie. no 20s load time)
Load what? The app, or the data? Users don't care how long the app
takes to start up, since they usually run it all day long. Data
response is a whole 'nother matter, and Dabo
On Dec 29, 2004, at 1:06 PM, Gabriel Cosentino de Barros wrote:
So, to be more direct: If you create one app that opens one window
with one button in wxWindow and exit (exit, so that 'time' can
canculate it for you), and then the same thing in Dabo, what's the
time diference?
I used the timeit
On Dec 27, 2004, at 5:01 PM, JanC wrote:
IMHO this is the worst think for the Python community: you can find
one Python only with an excellent support. Great But on the other
hand it is possible to find plenty of GUI tools and for the beginner
(and may be not just for the beginner) it is so
Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here's the equivalent in Dabo:
menu = dabo.ui.dMenu()
itm = menu.append(Close Window, self, self.onCloseWindow)
This still seems way too complicated. Why execute a bunch of separate
statements when what you're trying to set up is a single structure?
E.g.:
Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh, geez. After months of us getting skewered for releasing
Dabo under GPL, with everyone saying that they wouldn't even *look* at
it for fear of 'infecting' all of their code, we change the license to
the MIT license, and now the complaint is that
On Dec 28, 2004, at 1:16 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
Well, those are commercial developers who are afraid of the GPL.
No, they were several members of the Python community. I disagreed
with their interpretation of the GPL, but the fact remains that it was
a major stumbling block to getting others
Ed Leafe schreef:
I think the field of GUI frameworks / tools for Python is fragmented
because it's fragmented outside of Python too...
I think that the reason things are fragmented in this field is that
none of the tools are simple enough to learn.
Even on Windows, where several
On Dec 28, 2004, at 5:52 PM, JanC wrote:
But even then, if DaBo ever becomes as easy to use as Delphi/VB for
this
type of applications, while remaining cross-platform, that might easily
double the number of Python developers. ;-)
Well, there are at least a half-million Visual FoxPro developers
On Dec 28, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Luke Skywalker wrote:
Interesting discussion. I haven't looked at Dabo yet, but the issues
that must be solved before Python is a valid alternative to
proprietary solutions like Delphi or VB are:
- speed where it matters (ie. no 20s load time)
Load what? The app, or
Title: RE: Best GUI for small-scale accounting app?
From: Paul Rubin [mailto:http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid]
Dave Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You might not care.
And in that case Tk is much simpler than just about anything else, unless
looks are really important.
I've used
McBooCzech schreef:
IMHO this is the worst think for the Python community: you can find
one Python only with an excellent support. Great But on the other
hand it is possible to find plenty of GUI tools and for the beginner
(and may be not just for the beginner) it is so hard to choose the
Sorry to bother, but I didn't find the final answer to the question
what is the Best GUI for small-scale accounting app?
I am the newbie in Python, so I am trying to find some usable GUI as
well. But it looks to me there is a lot developers, beta-versions,
tools etc. I have spent a lot of time
McBooCzech [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am the newbie in Python, so I am trying to find some usable GUI as
well. But it looks to me there is a lot developers, beta-versions,
tools etc. I have spent a lot of time trying to find which is the
best one tool. But now it looks more confusing to me
huy wrote:
Dave Cook wrote:
On 2004-12-20, Paul Rubin http wrote:
I think I can put together a useable (but not visually stunning) web
interface faster than I can put together any pure client-side
interface.
Web browser widgets seem pretty limited to me, though. You don't even
have something
On 2004-12-21, Paul Rubin http wrote:
Dave Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Web browser widgets seem pretty limited to me, though.
You might not care.
And in that case Tk is much simpler than just about anything else, unless
looks are really important.
You don't even have something as
Web browser widgets seem pretty limited to me, though. You don't even
have something as simple as a combo box (i.e. an editable entry with
a drop
down), let alone the rich set of widgets something like wxwidgets
offers.
Also web development doesn't seem as coherent to me as development
with a
ZOPE could provide the workaround but ZOPE seems really huge to
me and an overkill for this. Or maybe it would work?
I am intenionally *not* trying to argue web vs traditional gui for your
app, but to tuck away for future apps, CherryPy2 is a lot easier than
Zope to use and programming it does
Dave Cook wrote:
On 2004-12-20, Paul Rubin http wrote:
I think I can put together a useable (but not visually stunning) web
interface faster than I can put together any pure client-side
interface.
Web browser widgets seem pretty limited to me, though. You don't even
have something as simple
I admit that I don't know much about Qt in Windows. As, I said, I've
never seen it. The fact that they don't offer a GPLed version for
Windows is a deterrent for me.
I have heard very nice things about Qt's api. I even bought a book on
it, but since the apps I've needed to write, had to
[Gerhard, quoting a blog]
wxPython doesn't seem bad, but it lacks any documentation
I see this a lot, and it baffles me. wxPython is a thin wrapper over
wxWidgets, which is very well documented. Where they differ, the
wxWidgets documentation discusses those differences. Add the excellent
On 2004-12-20, Bulba! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll soon start development of a specialized small app and need
to choose GUI for it.
I've had success with pygtk on win32 and Linux (and OS X with the X11
server installed.)
http://www.pcpm.ucl.ac.be/~gustin/win32_ports/
On 2004-12-20, Paul Rubin http wrote:
I think I can put together a useable (but not visually stunning) web
interface faster than I can put together any pure client-side
interface.
Web browser widgets seem pretty limited to me, though. You don't even
have something as simple as a combo box
On Dec 20, 2004, at 7:25 AM, Bulba! wrote:
The long lists of invoices, subcontractors and tasks (possibly
hundreds or thousands) will have to be displayed - which toolkit
is better for that in your experience?
I would appreciate anybody sharing their experiences with
relevant toolkits in
Bulba! wrote:
- QT seems to be industrial-strength, but.. it's probably
more complex/difficult to use.
- wxPython/PythonCard is probably simple to use, but..
are there not some pitfalls that development will fall
into once the app starts growing (they all do)?
From my point of view, PyQt is
Dave Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Web browser widgets seem pretty limited to me, though.
You might not care.
You don't even have something as simple as a combo box (i.e. an
editable entry with a drop down),
Just put an input field and a dropdown on the page.
let alone the rich set of
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:20:48 -0500, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You might want to check out Dabo, an application framework of which I
am one of the authors. We use wxPython as our UI toolkit, but have
streamlined the programming of the UI. We've also added data binding,
making
On Dec 21, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Bulba! wrote:
This advice of yours (thanks) may have slashdotted your site by
flood of requests from Python programmers all looking at your
website. ;-)
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I'll soon start development of a specialized small app and need
to choose GUI for it.
I have narrowed the choice to wxPython/PythonCard and QT/PyQT
(buying commercial licenses is not a big problem, the company
would pay for it).
Which is better for this kind of application? I mean, looking
Paul Rubin wrote:
Bulba! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll soon start development of a specialized small app and need
to choose GUI for it.
I have narrowed the choice to wxPython/PythonCard and QT/PyQT
What does the app need to do? I'd try to make it web based unless
there's a good reason not
On 20 Dec 2004 04:43:06 -0800, Paul Rubin
http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll soon start development of a specialized small app and need
to choose GUI for it.
I have narrowed the choice to wxPython/PythonCard and QT/PyQT
What does the app need to do?
Basically, it's for a data-entry
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What does the app need to do? I'd try to make it web based unless
there's a good reason not to. That's even if it just runs on the
user's desktop; run the http listener on the localhost and let the
user connect to it with a browser.
I'm not sure
Bulba! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Reason 1: It would be somewhat complex to develop it using
PHP (I have done some recon in that area) and using GUI
on Windows is actually faster way of entering and editing data
than via the Web browser I think.
Well, I was concentrating more on
Here is another question, are you deploying in Linux, Windows, Mac, or
some combination of these? I think that may be a big factor to
consider. I do like the look of Qt under Linux, however, I have never
seen it under Windows. Qt seems to be very focused in Linux, with Mac
and Windows support
Here is another question, are you deploying in Linux, Windows, Mac, or
some combination of these? I think that may be a big factor to
consider. I do like the look of Qt under Linux, however, I have never
seen it under Windows. Qt seems to be very focused in Linux, with Mac
and Windows
Bulba! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your CherryPy powered web applications are in fact stand-alone Python
applications embedding their own web server. You can deploy them
anywhere you can run Python applications. - cool!!
You might not really want a separate socket listener for each application.
Bulba! wrote:
Hmm.. and if I may ask, what limitations you have stumbled on?
In reality, PythonCard is just an easier way of manipulating wxPython.
The thing is that PythonCard needs to have a wraper for each wxPython
widget that it uses, and, then that wrapper needs to be incorporated
into
Title: RE: Best GUI for small-scale accounting app?
( sorry about top posting)
1. Ever avoid web based. unless you have to do it webbased. I've been doing web based apps for 5 years now. it simple don't pay off! usability within a browser sucks, unless you can spend time re-writting
I admit that I don't know much about Qt in Windows. As, I said, I've
never seen it. The fact that they don't offer a GPLed version for
Windows is a deterrent for me.
I have heard very nice things about Qt's api. I even bought a book on
it, but since the apps I've needed to write, had to be
Question for you, does Qt use the native Windows dialogs and widgets or
does it use its own? If the latter, how close are they to the native
look? Will they change appearance when a user chooses a different
theme in the Display Dialog?
AFAIK they do all stuff themselves. And also AFAIK
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Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
|Question for you, does Qt use the native Windows dialogs and widgets or
|does it use its own? If the latter, how close are they to the native
|look? Will they change appearance when a user chooses a different
|theme in the
Thomas Heller wrote:
Bulba! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll soon start development of a specialized small app and need
to choose GUI for it.
Quoting a somewhat popular german blogger, on the state of cross
platform Python GUI toolkits
(http://blog.schockwellenreiter.de/7282):
[snip]
On 20 Dec 2004 13:28:02 -0800, John Machin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Babelfish gave up on durchzuwursteln and so did I --
through-to-sausage-???
This is getting erotic ;-)
Luke.
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Personally I think the priority of all new project developmnent should
be based principally on web technologies, with OS-specific (i.e.,
desktop) versions only if there is absolutely no other way.
You should really try CherryPy (http://www.cherrypy.org) - for
Python-based web development I don't
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