Re: Choosing a new language

2008-01-03 Thread Joachim Durchholz
Tim Roberts schrieb: > Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] PHP and Perl are practically identical in their high-levelness or expressiveness or field of application (and syntax), >> That must have been a very, very distant point

Re: Choosing a new language

2008-01-02 Thread Tim Roberts
Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> [...] PHP and Perl are practically identical in their >>> high-levelness or expressiveness or field of application (and >>> syntax), > >That must have been a very, very distant point of view with narrowly >squi

Re: Choosing a new language

2008-01-02 Thread Tim Roberts
kevin cline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >As if there were such a thing as an 'Ada programmer'. Any decent >programmer should be productive in Ada long before their security >clearance is approved. That's only true because the security clearance process has become so complicated. Ada is not a

Re: Choosing a new language

2008-01-01 Thread Joachim Durchholz
> Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [...] PHP and Perl are practically identical in their >> high-levelness or expressiveness or field of application (and >> syntax), That must have been a very, very distant point of view with narrowly squinted eyes. Regards, Jo -- http://mail.python.org/ma

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-31 Thread Achim Schneider
Tim Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Let me tell you, since you know PHP, that PHP and Perl are > >practically identical in their high-levelness or expressiveness or > >field of application (and syntax), and, Perl and Python are pretty > >much the same

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-31 Thread Tim Roberts
Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Let me tell you, since you know PHP, that PHP and Perl are practically >identical in their high-levelness or expressiveness or field of >application (and syntax), and, Perl and Python are pretty much the >same except their syntax. I agree with the fundamental

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-30 Thread George Neuner
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:07:12 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Ada is airline/dod blessed. Airline blessed maybe. The DOD revoked its Ada only edict because they couldn't find enough Ada programmers. AFAIK, Ada is still the preferred language, but it is not required. George -- for email r

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-30 Thread Joachim Durchholz
John Thingstad schrieb: > Skrev Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> However, for web applications, I found a far easier variant: I just >> reload the page being debugged. (I have to make sure that the backend >> is in the same state when reloading, but that's usually easy to >> accompli

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-29 Thread Rico Secada
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:56:12 +0100 Samuel Tardieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Brad" == byte8bits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Brad> Best of luck in finding skilled, affordable Ada programmers > Brad> outside of major cities. > > Which is why it may be a good idea to learn it and earn

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-29 Thread Samuel Tardieu
> "Brad" == byte8bits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Brad> Best of luck in finding skilled, affordable Ada programmers Brad> outside of major cities. Which is why it may be a good idea to learn it and earn a lot of $$$ :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-29 Thread John Thingstad
På Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:58:30 +0100, skrev Arnaud Delobelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Dec 29, 3:11 pm, Achim Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] >> Lisp throws lambda calculus right into your face, which is a good >> thing. Scheme might be the better choice, it's lexically >> scoped:ht

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-29 Thread John Thingstad
På Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:16:09 +0100, skrev Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > However, for web applications, I found a far easier variant: I just > reload the page being debugged. (I have to make sure that the backend is > in the same state when reloading, but that's usually easy to ac

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-29 Thread Joachim Durchholz
Paul Rubin schrieb: > Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Indeed. An additional case is interactive applications where setting >> up the situation to be tested requires several time-consuming steps. > > At least for web development, there are a lot of automated tools that > mimic user

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-29 Thread Achim Schneider
Rico Secada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Second, I need some advice. > http://www.nondot.org/sabre/Mirrored/AdvProgLangDesign/ Learn, or better said understand, those and then choose wisely. Lisp throws lambda calculus right into your face, which is a good thing. Scheme might be the better c

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-29 Thread Stephen Leake
George Neuner writes: > On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:54:57 -0800, John Nagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >>Actually, the ability to "fix a running program" [in Lisp] isn't >>that useful in real life. It's more cool than useful. Editing a >>program from a break was more important back when com

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-29 Thread Paul Rubin
Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Indeed. An additional case is interactive applications where setting > up the situation to be tested requires several time-consuming steps. At least for web development, there are a lot of automated tools that mimic user input, just for this purpose.

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-29 Thread Joachim Durchholz
George Neuner schrieb: > I know not everyone > works in RT, but I can't possibly be alone in developing applications > that are hard to restart effectively. Indeed. An additional case is interactive applications where setting up the situation to be tested requires several time-consuming steps. R

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-28 Thread George Neuner
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:54:57 -0800, John Nagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Actually, the ability to "fix a running program" [in Lisp] isn't >that useful in real life. It's more cool than useful. Editing a >program from a break was more important back when computers were slower >and just rer

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-28 Thread Gary Scott
Rico Secada wrote: > Hi. > > First let me start by saying, please don't let this become a > flame-thing. > > Second, I need some advice. > > I am a 35 year old programmer, who program in C/C++, PHP and Bourne > Shell almost daily. > > I am currently going to start focusing on becoming more ski

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-28 Thread John Nagle
Rico Secada wrote: > Hi. > > First let me start by saying, please don't let this become a > flame-thing. > > Second, I need some advice. > > I am a 35 year old programmer, who program in C/C++, PHP and Bourne > Shell almost daily. > > I am currently going to start focusing on becoming more ski

Re: Choosing a new language

2007-12-28 Thread Joachim Durchholz
I don't know all three languages, but I know you won't get a useful answer unless you say what purpose you want to learn any of these languages for. To expand your mental scope? To improve your CV? To use as a new workhorse for your daily work? If it's the latter: what kind of work do you do?

Choosing a new language

2007-12-28 Thread Rico Secada
Hi. First let me start by saying, please don't let this become a flame-thing. Second, I need some advice. I am a 35 year old programmer, who program in C/C++, PHP and Bourne Shell almost daily. I am currently going to start focusing on becoming more skilled at a few key languages, rather than