Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 8:15 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Chris Angelico : > >> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> True enough. Modern-day protocols as well as Linux file formats and >>> commands intentionally blur the line between strings and bytes. The >>> software in

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Chris Angelico : > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> True enough. Modern-day protocols as well as Linux file formats and >> commands intentionally blur the line between strings and bytes. The >> software in question deals with all of the above. It is virtually >>

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Etienne Robillard
Le 2018-07-14 à 16:02, Chris Angelico a écrit : No, it isn't. Shunning would be killfiling you, which is apparently "more polite" than telling you how utterly and completely wrong you are. What I would like to do is ban you for endemic racism, honestly. By recommending and preferring

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Chris Angelico : > >> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:44 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> Having gone through a recent 2to3 effort that left my conscience >>> stained, I can only lament for the lost paradise which was Python >>> 2.7. There *was*

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/14/2018 2:44 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Having gone through a recent 2to3 effort that left my conscience stained, I can only lament for the lost paradise which was Python 2.7. I am curious, which release of 2.7 do you apply that to? The initial 2.7.0? Should we have stopped there? The

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Chris Angelico : > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:44 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Having gone through a recent 2to3 effort that left my conscience >> stained, I can only lament for the lost paradise which was Python >> 2.7. There *was* one real gain: MemoryBIO, but that's not enough to >> bring a

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:44 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Ian Kelly : > >> I think we all can name things we don't like about Python. For >> example, you're not likely to ever convince me that piggybacking >> coroutines onto generators was anything but a terrible hack that >> results in added

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Ian Kelly : > I think we all can name things we don't like about Python. For > example, you're not likely to ever convince me that piggybacking > coroutines onto generators was anything but a terrible hack that > results in added complexity and leaky abstraction now that the feature > has been

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Jim Lee
On 07/14/18 02:09, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: Am 14.07.18 um 10:00 schrieb Marko Rauhamaa: Steven D'Aprano : Apparently Marko didn't notice the irony of suggesting that we display excessive commitment to GvR The object of the "cult" isn't GvR, it's Python itself. I agree with this

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:12 AM Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > Typical conversation on this list / newsgroup: > > Q: "I could need a ?: operator just like in C. Is there something like > that in Python?" > > A1: "No. You don't want it. It makes the code confusing. You said, you > have a problem,

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
@ChrisAngelico py's dev is not mere whims here and there py does not assume, it waits for peps. peps are not flown direct dustbin, they are reviewed the qna gives the impression of hey python is weird and just brushes suggestions with the back of the hand or defends some parts without

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Bart
On 14/07/2018 10:09, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: Am 14.07.18 um 10:00 schrieb Marko Rauhamaa: Steven D'Aprano : Apparently Marko didn't notice the irony of suggesting that we display excessive commitment to GvR The object of the "cult" isn't GvR, it's Python itself. I agree with this

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: > @ChristianGollwitzer > > Naa your type of qna is called pep and a pep is not rejected without a > valid reason > I have no idea what you mean here. Can you please clarify? ChrisA --

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
@ChristianGollwitzer Naa your type of qna is called pep and a pep is not rejected without a valid reason Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ > > -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 14.07.18 um 10:00 schrieb Marko Rauhamaa: Steven D'Aprano : Apparently Marko didn't notice the irony of suggesting that we display excessive commitment to GvR The object of the "cult" isn't GvR, it's Python itself. I agree with this observation and it feels quite strange to me. I

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-14 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Steven D'Aprano : > Apparently Marko didn't notice the irony of suggesting that we display > excessive commitment to GvR The object of the "cult" isn't GvR, it's Python itself. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:48:15 -0700, dbd wrote: > On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 4:59:06 PM UTC-7, Steven D'Aprano wrote: ... >> I think that Marko sometimes likes to stir the ants nest by looking >> down at the rest of us and painting himself as the Lone Voice Of Sanity >> in a community gone mad

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-13 Thread dbd
On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 4:59:06 PM UTC-7, Steven D'Aprano wrote: ... > I think that Marko sometimes likes to stir the ants nest by looking down > at the rest of us and painting himself as the Lone Voice Of Sanity in a > community gone mad *wink* ... You mean he thinks he's Ranting Rick?

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:04:39 -0400, D'Arcy Cain wrote: > >> On 2018-07-13 05:45 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> Yeah, that is cult behavior. Here's a few boxes to tick on: >>> >>>http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm> >> >> I

Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

2018-07-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:04:39 -0400, D'Arcy Cain wrote: > On 2018-07-13 05:45 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Yeah, that is cult behavior. Here's a few boxes to tick on: >> >>http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm> > > I couldn't find a single item that applies to this group. What's

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