Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-04-02 Thread rurpy
Fredrik Lundh wrote: no, but that's because you're the kind of pathetic loser who only sees problem with things, and only pops up when you have a chance to piss on something. Are you going to address the issue, or just limit yourself to a public temper tantrum? --

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-04-02 Thread Paul Rubin
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what issue? your inability to contribute anything but complaints? that's your problem, and you have to fix that yourself. I'm sure you'd feel better if you tried. I'm not sure what's wrong with complaints. I've submitted a lot of bug reports and they

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-04-02 Thread Fredrik Lundh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, but that's because you're the kind of pathetic loser who only sees problem with things, and only pops up when you have a chance to piss on something. Are you going to address the issue, or just limit yourself to a public temper tantrum? what issue? your

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-04-01 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Ed Singleton wrote: I'm not much of an expert in anything yet, but I had an idea, and then managed to put the documents in a wiki, which was at least trying to do something. Fredrik beat me to it and did a much better job, but even so I feel quite proud that I did something and tried to move

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-04-01 Thread rurpy
Fredrik Lundh wrote: I'm not much of an expert in anything yet, but I had an idea, and then managed to put the documents in a wiki, which was at least trying to do something. Fredrik beat me to it and did a much better job, but even so I feel quite proud that I did something and tried

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-04-01 Thread Fredrik Lundh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and for the record: the infogami setup had never happened if Ed hadn't written that post. I wouldn't rest on my laurels quite yet if I were you. You've provided a good piece to take care of the input collection side of the equasion but I've seen nothing that

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-31 Thread Fredrik Lundh
1) dear lazyweb/lazynet: does anyone have some time to spare on figuring out how to log into infogami from a simple python script. standard library only, preferrably. nevermind. the hack that didn't work yesterday did did work today. must have been a bad cookie day. /F --

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-31 Thread Ed Singleton
On 30 Mar 2006 16:30:24 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fredrik Lundh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote write a tutorial as good as what is already there. But what I can do is report problems I find when using it, and make suggestions about how to avoid those problems.

QOTW... (was: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?))

2006-03-31 Thread skip
Ed == Ed Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ed Go to the wiki, make the changes you want, and feel good about Ed yourself for once. +1 QOTW. Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-31 Thread rurpy
Ed Singleton wrote: On 30 Mar 2006 16:30:24 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you saying? Ideas must come only from those with the time and skill to implement them? No one else need apply? Ideas can come from anyone and they do come from anyone all the time,

Re: QOTW... (was: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?))

2006-03-31 Thread rurpy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed == Ed Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ed Go to the wiki, make the changes you want, and feel good about Ed yourself for once. +1 QOTW. I suggest leaving off the for once. Otherwise, it is just another gratuitous insult, of the kind there is already

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-31 Thread Paul Boddie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Singleton wrote: Ideas can come from anyone and they do come from anyone all the time, and as such they are fairly worthless unless acted upon. That is pretty obvious. The question is about who does the acting. Your position seems to be that only those that

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-31 Thread Fredrik Lundh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (and probably for no thanks), Do you think you know me well enough from a handful of usenet postings to conclude that? yes. anyone who's been involved with open source project long enough has seen enough people like you to know you. you're not unique, in any way.

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-30 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Ed Singleton wrote: I'd suggest adding some sort of guidance page so that people know roughly what's expected. IE can they just add questions and comments into the text, hoping that someone more knowledgeable will sort it out (or delete it). I've added some notes to the front-page. feel

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-30 Thread Gerard Flanagan
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Ed Singleton wrote: I'd suggest adding some sort of guidance page so that people know roughly what's expected. IE can they just add questions and comments into the text, hoping that someone more knowledgeable will sort it out (or delete it). I've added some notes

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-30 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Gerard Flanagan wrote: I've added some notes to the front-page. feel free to tweak/clarify (or post comments here or on the site). for now, I think it's worth trying to keep the text clean and reasonably read- able at all times, and use the comment function to add

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-30 Thread rurpy
Terry Reedy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fredrik Lundh wrote: But the perception I get here, from responses like yours, is that such suggestions are unwelcome, and unlikely to be acted upon. FL is not the main doc maintainer. Even if you were to be

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-30 Thread rurpy
Terry Reedy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fredrik Lundh wrote: But the perception I get here, from responses like yours, is that such suggestions are unwelcome, and unlikely to be acted upon. FL is not the main doc maintainer. Even if you were to be

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-30 Thread rurpy
Fredrik Lundh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Fredrik Lundh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OP points out an ambiguity in the docs, and as usual, gets told he can't read, etc. How typical. where did anyone tell the OP that he can't read? it could be that the

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-30 Thread Fredrik Lundh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the time you've spent posting about this, you or someone else with svn access to the docs, could have simply gone and made the change. Admittedly most changes would require more process but there are many like this just require someone to DO IT. Give me svn

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-29 Thread Ed Singleton
On 29/03/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote write a tutorial as good as what is already there. But what I can do is report problems I find when using it, and make suggestions about how to avoid those problems. There's no shortage of ideas -- nor people who

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-29 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Ed Singleton wrote: This would be a perfect situation for a wiki. I think it would be a good experiment to have a wiki containing the documentation (separate from the main documentation and clearly marked experimental for the moment), and to see if it did self-organise as wikis often do.

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-29 Thread Fredrik Lundh
(I'm actually tempted to just copy and paste each page from the tutorial into the current wiki but I'd hate for it all to be deleted after doing that). just do it! btw, one alternative could be to use an infogame site for this purpose: http://infogami.com this gives you revision

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-29 Thread Fredrik Lundh
btw, one alternative could be to use an infogame site for this purpose: http://infogami.com this gives you revision history, a permissions system (limiting editing to registered users might be a good idea), comments, an associated blog, voting, feeds, change logs, etc. alright, I got

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-29 Thread Ed Singleton
On 29/03/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, one alternative could be to use an infogame site for this purpose: http://infogami.com this gives you revision history, a permissions system (limiting editing to registered users might be a good idea), comments, an associated

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-29 Thread Ed Singleton
On 29/03/06, Ed Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/03/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, one alternative could be to use an infogame site for this purpose: http://infogami.com this gives you revision history, a permissions system (limiting editing to

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-29 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Ed Singleton wrote: alright, I got bored and uploaded a copy of the current Python tutorial to http://pytut.infogami.com Damn. You beat me to it by an hour. http://singletoned.infogami.com/_special/index oops. sorry for that. I had a nightmare with character encodings (mainly

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-29 Thread Ed Singleton
On 29/03/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Singleton wrote: alright, I got bored and uploaded a copy of the current Python tutorial to http://pytut.infogami.com Damn. You beat me to it by an hour. http://singletoned.infogami.com/_special/index oops. sorry for

Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-28 Thread rurpy
Fredrik Lundh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OP points out an ambiguity in the docs, and as usual, gets told he can't read, etc. How typical. where did anyone tell the OP that he can't read? it could be that the tutorial author expected you to read chapter 8 before you read

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-28 Thread Terry Reedy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fredrik Lundh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where did anyone tell the OP that he can't read? it could be that the tutorial author expected you to read chapter 8 before you read chapter 9,... This actually acknowledges an

Re: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?)

2006-03-28 Thread Fredrik Lundh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Fredrik Lundh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OP points out an ambiguity in the docs, and as usual, gets told he can't read, etc. How typical. where did anyone tell the OP that he can't read? it could be that the tutorial author expected you to