Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-27 Thread Dave Angel
On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 12:04:22 -0800 (PST), ru...@yahoo.com wrote: On 12/26/2013 05:41 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM, wrote: >> On 12/25/2013 09:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>>[...] >>> Or maybe I should have just filtered everything from Google Groups >>> into th

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-27 Thread rurpy
On 12/26/2013 05:41 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM, wrote: >> On 12/25/2013 09:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>>[...] >>> Or maybe I should have just filtered everything from Google Groups >>> into the bit bucket, because responding just creates threads like >>> this.

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-26 Thread rurpy
On 12/25/2013 09:11 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 12/24/13 8:44 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >> On 12/23/2013 04:48 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: >>> On 12/22/13 11:52 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >[...] >>> But it's a lot of work. >> No, it not a "lot" of work (IMO and I use GG for every >[...] > Yes, th

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-26 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 12/25/13 11:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: Kevin started this thread by asking a question. Chris responded without helping the OP, and talked about Google Groups instead. That's not good. The only reason I didn't directly help the OP w

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-26 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM, wrote: > On 12/25/2013 09:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>[...] >> Or maybe I should have just filtered everything from Google Groups >> into the bit bucket, because responding just creates threads like >> this. Do you honestly think that would be better? No respon

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-26 Thread rurpy
On 12/25/2013 09:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >[...] > Or maybe I should have just filtered everything from Google Groups > into the bit bucket, because responding just creates threads like > this. Do you honestly think that would be better? No response at all > if the post comes from GG? Do you r

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Rustom Mody wrote: > I seem to have been kicked off something or other -- > First thought it was google groups -- then saw some mails from Steven > describing similar 'non-reaching' problems. I don't think you can actually be kicked off Google Groups. Isn't it open to anyone with an account? If y

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread Rustom Mody
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Ned Batchelder > wrote: >> Kevin started this thread by asking a question. Chris responded without >> helping the OP, and talked about Google Groups instead. That's not good. > > The only reason I didn't

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > Kevin started this thread by asking a question. Chris responded without > helping the OP, and talked about Google Groups instead. That's not good. The only reason I didn't directly help the OP was because the code was misformatted and it

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 12/24/13 8:44 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: On 12/23/2013 04:48 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: On 12/22/13 11:52 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: Come on Chris, it is just as easy to make typo or copy-and- paste errors in any other software as GG, there is no evidence that it was GG's fault. Can we agre

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread Rustom Mody
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 3:39 AM, wrote: > > On 12/25/2013 05:19 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > > On 12/24/13 8:47 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 12/23/2013 09:12 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > >>> Also, > >>> you haven't answered the other part of the post, the more important > >>> part. > >> Refres

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread rurpy
On 12/25/2013 05:19 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 12/24/13 8:47 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >> On 12/23/2013 09:12 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> Also, >>> you haven't answered the other part of the post, the more important >>> part. >> Refresh my memory please. > > Ugh, stop! Stop what? The co

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread rurpy
On 12/23/2013 04:48 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 12/22/13 11:52 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >> Come on Chris, it is just as easy to make typo or copy-and- >> paste errors in any other software as GG, there is no evidence >> that it was GG's fault. > > Can we agree that it's not great to respond t

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Ned Batchelder wrote: > 1) Don't fault newcomers for using Google Groups.  Politely suggest > alternatives, but only if you are also helping them, or if they have > already gotten help. +1 The *primary purpose* of this list is to help people with Python, not to enforce some particular part of ne

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 12/24/13 8:47 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On 12/23/2013 09:12 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> Also, >>> you haven't answered the other part of the post, the more important >>> part. >>> >> >> Refresh my memory please. >> >> > Ugh, st

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 12/24/13 8:47 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: On 12/23/2013 09:12 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: Also, you haven't answered the other part of the post, the more important part. Refresh my memory please. Ugh, stop! We get it: you don't think Google Groups is bad. Or you think it can be made to

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-25 Thread rurpy
On 12/23/2013 09:12 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:09 PM, wrote: >> On Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:37:35 PM UTC-7, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> Actually, formatting errors ARE often caused by Google Groups. Maybe >>> it wasn't in this instance, but I have seen several cases o

Re: Google Groups + this list

2013-12-23 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > I suggest the following: > > 1) Don't fault newcomers for using Google Groups. Politely suggest > alternatives, but only if you are also helping them, or if they have already > gotten help. > > 2) Be careful how you rail against Google Gro

Google Groups + this list

2013-12-23 Thread Ned Batchelder
On 12/22/13 11:52 PM, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: Come on Chris, it is just as easy to make typo or copy-and- paste errors in any other software as GG, there is no evidence that it was GG's fault. Can we agree that it's not great to respond to a new poster with *just* "please don't use GG, it's bad