On 2016-04-19, Random832 wrote:
> It does look like some attention may need to be given to gmane
> (either to allow posts to continue to be submitted, or to notify
> gmane that the list should be put in "Non-public (posting through
> Gmane allowed for list members)" mode.
While there is such a m
On 19/04/2016 18:30, Random832 wrote:
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 12:05, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
It's worse than that. There are many other places that mirror this group,
such as gmane, Activestate, bytes.com, gossamer-threads.com, and of
course
Google Groups.
Google groups goes through Usenet,
On 04/19/2016 12:05 PM, Random832 wrote:
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 15:01, Ethan Furman wrote:
The only thing changing is what happens if someone posts /directly/ to
the mailing list (not through gmane, etc).
Is the mailing list software able to make that distinction? I thought
that was on gmane
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 15:01, Ethan Furman wrote:
> The only thing changing is what happens if someone posts /directly/ to
> the mailing list (not through gmane, etc).
Is the mailing list software able to make that distinction? I thought
that was on gmane's end.
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On 04/19/2016 10:55 AM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2016-04-19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
And yet, we manage to muddle on.
We've muddled on so far, but apparently we're just about to have
a significant change in moderation policy which sounds like it may
very well add to the confusion.
The only thi
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 13:55, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On 2016-04-19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > It's worse than that. There are many other places that mirror this group,
> > such as gmane, Activestate, bytes.com, gossamer-threads.com, and of course
> > Google Groups. They all have their own moderat
Steven D'Aprano :
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 03:32 pm, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Did you get the CC, Steven.
>
> Yes I did. I frequently have people CCing me. But that's not the
> problem for me -- as I said above, it's a pain for me to SEND (not
> receive) via both email and news.
GNUS does both at on
On 2016-04-19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:43 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> Are you saying that Usenet posts skip the moderation entirely?
>>
>> This whole thing seems a bit of a mess. What you really need to be
>> doing is changing the Usenet group to be moderated, otherwise you'
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 12:05, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> It's worse than that. There are many other places that mirror this group,
> such as gmane, Activestate, bytes.com, gossamer-threads.com, and of
> course
> Google Groups.
Google groups goes through Usenet, and would be affected equally by a
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 03:32 pm, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano :
>
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:27 am, Random832 wrote:
>>
>>> As an alternative, when you send them through can you put a note on
>>> the bottom saying they're not subscribed, to remind people to CC them
>>> in responses?
>>
>>
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:43 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> Are you saying that Usenet posts skip the moderation entirely?
>
> This whole thing seems a bit of a mess. What you really need to be
> doing is changing the Usenet group to be moderated, otherwise you're
> going to end up with two different view
On 2016-04-19, Tim Golden wrote:
> On 19/04/2016 10:03, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> But from what you described, it sounds like all Usenet posts will
>> now be prevented from reaching the list. If so you should probably
>> consider rmgrouping comp.lang.python or at least abandoning the
>> idea of it bei
On 19/04/2016 10:03, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2016-04-17, Tim Golden wrote:
On 17/04/2016 18:21, Wildman via Python-list wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:57:51 +0100, Tim Golden wrote:
[... snip my explanation of new moderation for non-subscribers ...]
How will this change affect posts to comp.l
On 2016-04-17, Tim Golden wrote:
> On 17/04/2016 18:21, Wildman via Python-list wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:57:51 +0100, Tim Golden wrote:
>
> [... snip my explanation of new moderation for non-subscribers ...]
>
>> How will this change affect posts to comp.lang.python?
>
> Not at all, in the
On 2016-04-18, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Apr 17, 2016, at 06:08 PM, Matt Ruffalo wrote:
>
>>That seems like a reasonable approach, though I think there *really*
>>needs to be an option along the lines of "subscribed to the list for the
>>purposes of moderation, but not receiving list messages via e
On Apr 17, 2016, at 06:08 PM, Matt Ruffalo wrote:
>That seems like a reasonable approach, though I think there *really*
>needs to be an option along the lines of "subscribed to the list for the
>purposes of moderation, but not receiving list messages via email".
We can do this effectively in Mail
Steven D'Aprano :
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:27 am, Random832 wrote:
>
>> As an alternative, when you send them through can you put a note on
>> the bottom saying they're not subscribed, to remind people to CC them
>> in responses?
>
> That doesn't work so well from Usenet. I can reply via news (whi
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:27 am, Random832 wrote:
> As an alternative, when you send them through can you put a note on the
> bottom saying they're not subscribed, to remind people to CC them in
> responses?
That doesn't work so well from Usenet. I can reply via news (which
definitely works), or I c
Random832 writes:
> As an alternative, when you send them through can you put a note on
> the bottom saying they're not subscribed, to remind people to CC them
> in responses?
That still relies on every participant manually changing from the
correct behaviour (reply to the mailing list only, by
Ethan Furman writes:
> On 04/17/2016 03:08 PM, Matt Ruffalo wrote:
>
> > That seems like a reasonable approach, though I think there *really*
> > needs to be an option along the lines of "subscribed to the list for
> > the purposes of moderation, but not receiving list messages via
> > email".
>
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Random832 wrote:
> As an alternative, when you send them through can you put a note on the
> bottom saying they're not subscribed, to remind people to CC them in
> responses? I think that's why we never get any followup on "newbie
> problem" questions (especially
On Sun, Apr 17, 2016, at 18:08, Matt Ruffalo wrote:
> Hi-
>
> That seems like a reasonable approach, though I think there *really*
> needs to be an option along the lines of "subscribed to the list for the
> purposes of moderation, but not receiving list messages via email".
There is. I'm on seve
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Matt Ruffalo wrote:
> Hi-
>
> That seems like a reasonable approach, though I think there *really*
> needs to be an option along the lines of "subscribed to the list for the
> purposes of moderation, but not receiving list messages via email". I
> think I did this
On 04/17/2016 03:08 PM, Matt Ruffalo wrote:
That seems like a reasonable approach, though I think there *really*
needs to be an option along the lines of "subscribed to the list for the
purposes of moderation, but not receiving list messages via email".
I don't understand what you are saying.
Hi-
That seems like a reasonable approach, though I think there *really*
needs to be an option along the lines of "subscribed to the list for the
purposes of moderation, but not receiving list messages via email". I
think I did this with the Git mailing list in the past, and it was quite
useful. I
On 17/04/2016 18:21, Wildman via Python-list wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:57:51 +0100, Tim Golden wrote:
[... snip my explanation of new moderation for non-subscribers ...]
How will this change affect posts to comp.lang.python?
Not at all, in the sense that the moderation doesn't apply to
On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:57:51 +0100, Tim Golden wrote:
> There's been a bit of chatter lately about the moderation on the Python
> List (and, indirectly, comp.lang.python). The list moderators have
> suspended a couple of posters for a while and we've been discussing a
> little our policy toward
There's been a bit of chatter lately about the moderation on the Python
List (and, indirectly, comp.lang.python). The list moderators have
suspended a couple of posters for a while and we've been discussing a
little our policy towards non-subscribed posts.
First, a quick summary of the current
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