Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-13 Thread Kiuhnm
On 3/12/2012 20:00, Albert van der Horst wrote: [...] Sorry for triple posting. I hadn't noticed the follow up and I was blaming my newsserver. BTW, Python is the next language (right after Perl) I'm going to learn. Then I'll probably have a look at Ruby... Kiuhnm -- http://mail.python.org/mai

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-13 Thread Kiuhnm
On 3/12/2012 20:00, Albert van der Horst wrote: In article<4f5df4b3$0$1375$4fafb...@reader1.news.tin.it>, Kiuhnm wrote: On 3/12/2012 12:27, Albert van der Horst wrote: Interestingly in mathematics associative means that it doesn't matter whether you use (a.b).c or a.(b.c). Using xxx-associativ

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-13 Thread Kiuhnm
On 3/12/2012 20:00, Albert van der Horst wrote: In article<4f5df4b3$0$1375$4fafb...@reader1.news.tin.it>, Kiuhnm wrote: On 3/12/2012 12:27, Albert van der Horst wrote: Interestingly in mathematics associative means that it doesn't matter whether you use (a.b).c or a.(b.c). Using xxx-associativ

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-12 Thread Kiuhnm
On 3/12/2012 20:00, Albert van der Horst wrote: In article<4f5df4b3$0$1375$4fafb...@reader1.news.tin.it>, Kiuhnm wrote: On 3/12/2012 12:27, Albert van der Horst wrote: Interestingly in mathematics associative means that it doesn't matter whether you use (a.b).c or a.(b.c). Using xxx-associativ

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-12 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article <4f5df4b3$0$1375$4fafb...@reader1.news.tin.it>, Kiuhnm wrote: >On 3/12/2012 12:27, Albert van der Horst wrote: >> Interestingly in mathematics associative means that it doesn't matter >> whether you use (a.b).c or a.(b.c). >> Using xxx-associativity to indicate that it *does* matter is

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-12 Thread Kiuhnm
On 3/12/2012 12:27, Albert van der Horst wrote: Interestingly in mathematics associative means that it doesn't matter whether you use (a.b).c or a.(b.c). Using xxx-associativity to indicate that it *does* matter is a bit perverse, but the Perl people are not to blame if they use a term in their u

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-12 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article <0078bbfb-5dfc-48fc-af1a-69de3cf15...@b1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Xah Lee wrote: >New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade! > >A excerpt from the new book =E3=80=88Modern Perl=E3=80=89, just published, = >chapter 4 >on =E2=80=9COperators=E2=80=9D. Quote: > >=C2

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-02 Thread Kiuhnm
On 3/2/2012 14:12, Xah Lee wrote: On Mar 1, 3:00 am, Kiuhnm wrote: They did not make up the terminology, if that is what you are saying. The concepts of left and right associativity are well-known and accepted in TCS (Theoretical CS). Aho, Sethi and Ullman explain it this way in "Compilers:

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-02 Thread Xah Lee
On Mar 1, 3:00 am, Kiuhnm wrote: > They did not make up the terminology, if that is what you are saying. > The concepts of left and right associativity are well-known and accepted > in TCS (Theoretical CS). > Aho, Sethi and Ullman explain it this way in "Compilers: Principles, > Techniques and T

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-01 Thread Chiron
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:09:16 -0800, Xah Lee wrote: Xah, you won't grow even an inch taller by cutting others down. -- I joined scientology at a garage sale!! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-01 Thread Westley Martínez
First of all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5jKMEB4hHE On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:09:16AM -0800, Xah Lee wrote: > Now, let me tell you what operator precedence is. First of all, let's > limit ourselfs to discuss operators that are so-called binary > operators, which, in our context, basically m

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-03-01 Thread Kiuhnm
On 3/1/2012 1:02, Xah Lee wrote: i missed a point in my original post. That is, when the same operator are adjacent. e.g. 「3 ▲ 6 ▲ 5」. This is pointed out by Kiuhnm 〔kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it〕 and Tim Bradshaw. Thanks. though, i disagree the way they expressed it, or any sense this is different from

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-02-29 Thread Xah Lee
i missed a point in my original post. That is, when the same operator are adjacent. e.g. 「3 ▲ 6 ▲ 5」. This is pointed out by Kiuhnm 〔kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it〕 and Tim Bradshaw. Thanks. though, i disagree the way they expressed it, or any sense this is different from math. to clarify, amend my origin

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-02-29 Thread namekuseijin
On Feb 29, 5:09 am, Xah Lee wrote: > New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade! > > A excerpt from the new book 〈Modern Perl〉, just published, chapter 4 > on “Operators”. Quote: > > «The associativity of an operator governs whether it evaluates from > left to right or right t

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-02-29 Thread Kiuhnm
On 2/29/2012 16:15, Rainer Weikusat wrote: [...] 'mathematics' (an essentially outdated write-only programming language dating back to the times when humans had to perform computations themselves) [...] Theoretical Computer Science is a branch of mathematics. Are you saying it is outdated? K

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-02-29 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Xah Lee writes: > A excerpt from the new book 〈Modern Perl〉, just published, chapter 4 > on “Operators”. Quote: > > «The associativity of an operator governs whether it evaluates from > left to right or right to left. Addition is left associative, such > that 2 + 3 + 4 evaluates 2 + 3 first, then

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-02-29 Thread Devin Jeanpierre
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:43 AM, Chiron wrote: > Personally, I think this whole issue of precedence in a programming > language is over-rated.  It seems to me that grouping of any non-trivial > set of calculations should be done so as to remove any possible confusion > as to intent. Some language

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-02-29 Thread Kiuhnm
On 2/29/2012 9:09, Xah Lee wrote: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade! A excerpt from the new book 〈Modern Perl〉, just published, chapter 4 on “Operators”. Quote: «The associativity of an operator governs whether it evaluates from left to right or right to left. Addi

Re: New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-02-29 Thread Chiron
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:09:16 -0800, Xah Lee wrote: Personally, I think this whole issue of precedence in a programming language is over-rated. It seems to me that grouping of any non-trivial set of calculations should be done so as to remove any possible confusion as to intent. It is one more

New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade!

2012-02-29 Thread Xah Lee
New Science Discovery: Perl Idiots Remain Idiots After A Decade! A excerpt from the new book 〈Modern Perl〉, just published, chapter 4 on “Operators”. Quote: «The associativity of an operator governs whether it evaluates from left to right or right to left. Addition is left associative, such that