Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/31/2014 4:47 PM, Rhodri James wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:23:46 +0100, Mark H Harris wrote: The main point of the link is the status on English as an official language. 28 out of 50 states have legislated English as the official language; meaning, that you either speak and write Englis

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-31 Thread Rhodri James
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:23:46 +0100, Mark H Harris wrote: The main point of the link is the status on English as an official language. 28 out of 50 states have legislated English as the official language; meaning, that you either speak and write English, or you're going to have a really

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-31 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 16:44:56 +1100, Chris Angelico > declaimed the following: > >>official language, and pick up any government form - something fairly >>important, like applying for a passport or something. How many > > Passpor

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-31 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 31/03/2014 05:57, Mark H Harris wrote: On 3/30/14 5:35 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Approximately 5% of the US population either do not speak English at all, or speak it poorly. That includes approximately half a million ASL speakers (American Sign Language, which is not a manual representatio

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-30 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Mark H Harris wrote: > > The main point of the link is the status on English as an official language. > 28 out of 50 states have legislated English as the official language; > meaning, that you either speak and write English, or you're going to have a > really toug

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-30 Thread Mark H Harris
On 3/31/14 12:05 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: What say you? We all type in our own language, and everyone else gets to read it in their own language. Its kinda like the day of Pentecost (except that its print instead of audio). And Pentecost required direct intervention of the all-powerful God o

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-30 Thread Mark H Harris
On 3/30/14 1:31 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: The most recent US census found there are 38.5 million people in the US who primarily speak Spanish, and 45 million who speak it as their first or second language. In comparison, there are only an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants (of which only 7

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-30 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Mark H Harris wrote: > As long as I'm passing along my dreams to everyone, we also need a universal > translator on the uptake. In other words, everyone inputs from a universal > encoder, and every browser has the option of on-demand translation (or not). > Its a l

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-30 Thread Mark H Harris
On 3/30/14 5:35 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Approximately 5% of the US population either do not speak English at all, or speak it poorly. That includes approximately half a million ASL speakers (American Sign Language, which is not a manual representation of English but an independent language in

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-30 Thread Mark H Harris
On 3/30/14 5:35 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 01:48:27 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote: Don't be silly, Steven, it doesn't become you. Given the sorts of patronising, condescending things you insist are true about non-Americans, such as their supposed inability to communicate

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-30 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Network effects explain why, out of the six or seven thousand languages > in the world, just thirteen account for more than half the world's > population: > > 1) Mandarin > 2) Spanish > 3) English > 4) Hindi > 5) Arabic > 6) Portuguese > 7)

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-30 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 01:48:27 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote: > On 3/30/14 1:31 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. We have people here >>> from all over the earth, and enough illegal immigrants speaking >>> Spanish to account for a population about the size o

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-29 Thread Mark H Harris
On 3/30/14 1:31 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. We have people here from all over the earth, and enough illegal immigrants speaking Spanish to account for a population about the size of Ohio. *raises eyebrow* Did you intend to imply that it is only il

Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Did you intend to imply that it is only illegal immigrants who speak > Spanish in the USA? I think he's correct there. After all, anyone who doesn't fit the white-skinned monolingual (barely-one-language, really) middle-class stereotype *M

OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?]

2014-03-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 00:52:20 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote: > On 3/29/14 10:45 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 29/03/2014 08:21, Mark H Harris wrote: >>> >>> Yes. Well, as the joke goes, if you're trilingual you speak three >>> languages, if you're bilingual you speak two languages, if you're >>>