Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-24 Thread Victor Kryukov
Hello list, thanks a lot to everybody for their suggestions. We're yet to make our final decision, and the information you've provided is really helpful. Best, Victor. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Ströder
John Nagle wrote: Sure they do. I have a complex web site, http://www.downside.com;, that's implemented with Perl, Apache, and MySQL. It automatically reads SEC filings and parses them to produce financial analyses. It's been running for seven years, and hasn't been modified in five,

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-21 Thread Ivan Tikhonov
Use php. I am lead programmer/maintainer of big website with a lot of interactive stuff in user's backoffice and with a lot of interraction to our non-web apps. PHP is a crap, but programming for web in python is a pain in the ass. And php programmers are cheaper. Especialy avoid mod_python.

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-21 Thread Matthew Nuzum
On May 16, 4:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. See #3 below Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-21 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Ivan Tikhonov a écrit : Use php. I am lead programmer/maintainer of big website with a lot of interactive stuff in user's backoffice and with a lot of interraction to our non-web apps. PHP is a crap, but programming for web in python is a pain in the ass. Strange enough, MVHO on this is

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-21 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
John Nagle a écrit : (snip) YouTube's home page is PHP. Try www.youtube.com/index.php. That works, while the obvious alternatives don't. If you look at the page HTML, you'll see things like a href=/login?next=/index.php onclick=_hbLink('LogIn','UtilityLinks');Log In/a So

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-21 Thread João Santos
Please have a look at Plone and Zope. During the month of January 2006, we've had approx. 167 million hits plone.org On 2007-05-16 23:04:17 +0200, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-21 Thread ddddddddd dddddddddddddd
[Bruno Desthuilliers] John, I'm really getting tired of your systemic and totally unconstructive criticism. If *you* are not happy with Python, by all means use another language. You are saying bad things about my darling! Python is my baby! Shame on you John Nagle, if you do it again I'll

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-20 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
John Nagle a écrit : Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: John Nagle a écrit : Victor Kryukov wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. ... Our main requirement for tools we're going to

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-20 Thread Michael Bayer
On May 16, 5:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-20 Thread Rico
On May 16, 2:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. Today, as we get better idea of what we need, we're going to re-write everything from

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread Jarek Zgoda
Daniel Nogradi napisał(a): For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then: http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx http://www.youtube.com/results.php

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread Daniel Nogradi
For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then: http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx http://www.youtube.com/results.php http://www.youtube.com/results.py Just wondering,

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
John Nagle a écrit : Victor Kryukov wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. ... Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Istvan Albert a écrit : On May 16, 5:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread Alex Martelli
Jarek Zgoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Nogradi napisa?(a): For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then: http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread Daniel Nogradi
For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then: http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx http://www.youtube.com/results.php http://www.youtube.com/results.py

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread Michele Simionato
On May 16, 11:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread Daniel Nogradi
For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then: http://www.youtube.com/results.xxx http://www.youtube.com/results.php http://www.youtube.com/results.py

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread John Nagle
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: John Nagle a écrit : Victor Kryukov wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. ... Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread John Nagle
Alex Martelli wrote: Jarek Zgoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Nogradi napisa?(a): For example, it HAS been published elsewhere that YouTube uses lighttpd, not Apache: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/PoweredByLighttpd. How do you explain these, then:

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread John Nagle
John Nagle wrote: YouTube's home page is PHP. Try www.youtube.com/index.php. That works, while the obvious alternatives don't. If you look at the page HTML, you'll see things like a href=/login?next=/index.php onclick=_hbLink('LogIn','UtilityLinks');Log In/a So there's

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread Jorge Godoy
John Nagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a direct result of this, neither the Linux distro builders like Red Hat nor major hosting providers provide Python environments that just work. That's reality. Try SuSE, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu... They just work. I've never had any problem installing any

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-18 Thread Josiah Carlson
John Nagle wrote: Many of the basic libraries for web related functions do have problems. Even standard modules like urllib and SSL are buggy, and have been for years. Outside the standard modules, it gets worse, especially for ones with C components. Version incompatibility for

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Istvan Albert
On May 16, 5:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Jarek Zgoda
Victor Kryukov napisał(a): Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we shouldn't worry about their _versions_.

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Steve Holden
Victor Kryukov wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. And has stayed around to dog the developers, as so many quick fixes do ... Today, as we get better idea of what we need, we're

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Boddie
John Nagle wrote: Victor Kryukov wrote: Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we shouldn't worry

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Chris Cioffi
I think the first question I would have is what kind of dynamic content are you talking about? Is this a web app kind of thing, or just a content pushing site? While Django might not be v1.0 yet, it seems very solid and stable, and perfect for quickly building powerful content based dynamic

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread John Nagle
Jarek Zgoda wrote: Victor Kryukov napisał(a): Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to use tools that are stable, has many developer-years and thousands of user-years behind them, and that we shouldn't worry

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-17 Thread Alex Martelli
Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... And although http://www.python.org/about/quotes/ lists many big names and wonderful examples, be want more details. E.g. our understanding is that Google uses python mostly for internal web-sites, and performance is far from perfect their. YouTube

Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-16 Thread Victor Kryukov
Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. Today, as we get better idea of what we need, we're going to re-write everything from scratch. Python is an obvious candidate for our team: everybody knows

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-16 Thread John Nagle
Victor Kryukov wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. ... Our main requirement for tools we're going to use is rock-solid stability. As one of our team-members puts it, We want to

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-16 Thread Luis M . González
On May 16, 6:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. Today, as we get better idea of what we need, we're going to re-write everything from

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-16 Thread Luis M . González
On May 16, 6:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. Today, as we get better idea of what we need, we're going to re-write everything from

Re: Python Web Programming - looking for examples of solid high-traffic sites

2007-05-16 Thread Luis M . González
On May 16, 6:04 pm, Victor Kryukov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, our team is going to rewrite our existing web-site, which has a lot of dynamic content and was quickly prototyped some time ago. Today, as we get better idea of what we need, we're going to re-write everything from