On Jun 7, 10:24 am, Sam Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've long believed that '=' should be banned from programming languages.
> Use '==' for equality tests, and ':=' for assignments.
That's an interesting suggestion that I don't recall hearing anyone
else ever mention.
On Jun 7, 10:24 am
John Salerno wrote:
"Dave Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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On May 20, 7:05 pm, Collin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
---
For example, consider the two statements:
x = 8
x = 10
The reaction from most math teachers (and kids) was "one of those is
wrong b
On Jun 5, 7:57 am, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>... wait, x = 8 and x = 10!
> But how can that be, Dave? You and your elementary kids just told me
> I can't have two values for x...
x = 8 OR x = 10. ;)
By the way, realtime fullscreen 3D graphics are now up and running
under Windows.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:43 AM, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Dave Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On May 20, 7:05 pm, Collin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---
> For example, consider the two statements:
>
> x = 8
> x = 10
>
> The reacti
"Dave Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On May 20, 7:05 pm, Collin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
---
For example, consider the two statements:
x = 8
x = 10
The reaction from most math teachers (and kids) was "one of those is
wrong because x can't equal 2
"Dave Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Kind of like how this year's program won't work on next year's
> Python? Except Flaming Thunder is faster. ;)
To be fair (and accurate), Python 3.0 has been in development for a long
time without being marketed for prod
Hallöchen!
Grant Edwards writes:
> On 2008-05-30, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Duncan Booth writes:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> I don't understand your problem: it's just a single thread so
>>> killfile or skip it.
>>
>> Although I agree with you that there is no problem, *this* is no
On 2008-05-30, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hall?chen!
>
> Duncan Booth writes:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> I don't understand your problem: it's just a single thread so
>> killfile or skip it.
>
> Although I agree with you that there is no problem, *this* is not a
> good justification for thi
Hallöchen!
Duncan Booth writes:
> [...]
>
> I don't understand your problem: it's just a single thread so
> killfile or skip it.
Although I agree with you that there is no problem, *this* is not a
good justification for this thread. One should stay on topic in
*every* thread.
Tschö,
Torsten.
"D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I guess I am still new to this group and don't understand its charter.
> I wasn't aware that it was a Flaming Blunder group. Can someone please
> point me to a newsgroup or mailing list dedicated to the Python
> programming language?
>
A minor poin
On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:57:45 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
> I guess I am still new to this group and don't understand its charter.
> I wasn't aware that it was a Flaming Blunder group. Can someone please
> point me to a newsgroup or mailing list dedicated to the Python
> programming language?
On May 30, 8:02 am, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, but if you look past the "FT is better than Python" propaganda,
> there's some interesting discussion of language design.
Which is more appropriate on a group focused on such a topic.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyt
Dan Upton wrote:
> I just think if you're shooting for an easily understandable
> language, overloading error handling requires more thought on the
> programmer's part, not less, because they have to reason about all
> outcomes
Duncan Booth wrote:
> Maybe FT should do something similar:
>Write
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:57 PM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I guess I am still new to this group and don't understand its charter.
> I wasn't aware that it was a Flaming Blunder group. Can someone please
> point me to a newsgroup or mailing list dedicated to the Python
> program
I guess I am still new to this group and don't understand its charter.
I wasn't aware that it was a Flaming Blunder group. Can someone please
point me to a newsgroup or mailing list dedicated to the Python
programming language?
--
D'Arcy J.M. Cain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Democracy is thre
> On May 28, 11:46 pm, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On May 28, 3:19 pm, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > Kind of like how this year's program won't work on next year's
> > > > Python?
> >
> > "Like Perl 6, Python 3.0 will break backward compatibility. There
On May 28, 11:46 pm, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On May 28, 3:19 pm, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Kind of like how this year's program won't work on next year's
> > > Python?
>
> > For somebody who has admitted to have only very rudimentary knowledge of
> > pyt
"Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:36 AM, Duncan Booth
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Catch doesn't return just error types or numbers, it can return any
>>> object returned by the statements that are being caught; catch
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:36 AM, Duncan Booth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Catch doesn't return just error types or numbers, it can return any
>> object returned by the statements that are being caught; catch doesn't
>> care what type they are. For examp
Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Catch doesn't return just error types or numbers, it can return any
> object returned by the statements that are being caught; catch doesn't
> care what type they are. For example:
>
> Writeline catch(set x to "hello world".).
>
> will write "hello wor
On 28 Mag, 23:13, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 28, 12:09 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Following your posts in this thread, I see that
> > you 'plan to add soon' every cool feature that every other language seems to
> > have.
>
> I've already added a lot o
To be fair, the graphics look cool and the "single-asset 8-by-8
shotgun cross compiler, written entirely in assembly language" sounds
impressive from an implementation point of view, in the sense that
building Deep Blue with nothing but NAND gates would; utterly
impressive and pointless at the s
Dave Parker schrieb:
On May 28, 3:19 pm, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kind of like how this year's program won't work on next year's
Python?
For somebody who has admitted to have only very rudimentary knowledge of
python that's a pretty bold statement, don't you think?
Everth
On May 28, 5:19 pm, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Kind of like how this year's program won't work on next year's
> > Python?
>
> For somebody who has admitted to have only very rudimentary knowledge of
> python that's a pretty bold statement, don't you think?
>
> > Except Flam
On May 28, 3:19 pm, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Kind of like how this year's program won't work on next year's
> > Python?
>
> For somebody who has admitted to have only very rudimentary knowledge of
> python that's a pretty bold statement, don't you think?
Everthing I know,
On May 28, 12:48 pm, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> there's no reason "set" itself
> should throw any sort of error in the sense of an exception--in a
> statement like "Set x to SomeFunctionThatCanBlowUp()", the semantics
> should clearly be that the error comes from the function. In a s
Kind of like how this year's program won't work on next year's
Python?
For somebody who has admitted to have only very rudimentary knowledge of
python that's a pretty bold statement, don't you think?
Except Flaming Thunder is faster. ;)
Faster in execution speed for a very limited domain
On May 28, 12:09 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Following your posts in this thread, I see that
> you 'plan to add soon' every cool feature that every other language seems to
> have.
I've already added a lot of them. For example, loops that don't need
looping variables:
For 10
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Dave Parker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > If catch(set x to y+z.) < 0.1 then go to tinyanswer.
>>
>> So what does this do exactly if the set throws an error?
>
> I think the catch should catch the error thrown by set, compare it to
> 0.1, the comparison will not
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 09:22:53 am Dave Parker wrote:
> I think in a month or two, Flaming Thunder will be using catch/throw
> exception and error handling. So, for example:
Nice... Flaming Thunder sure evolves quickly. Too quickly to be considered
a 'feature' of the language. Following your p
> > If catch(set x to y+z.) < 0.1 then go to tinyanswer.
>
> So what does this do exactly if the set throws an error?
I think the catch should catch the error thrown by set, compare it to
0.1, the comparison will not return true because the error is not less
than 0.1, and so the go-to to tinyanswe
Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Catch also gives you a
> single, uniform, syntactically unambiguous way to embed statements (or
> whole statement lists) into expressions -- without causing the
> syntactic problems of = statements in if statements or the obfuscation
> of question mark nota
> That error message is the erlang interpreter saying "Hey I know X is
> 8, and you've said it is 10 - that can't be right", which is pretty
> much what math teachers say too...
I enjoyed the discussion of how different languages handle the notion
of "="; I learned something new. Thanks.
On May
> Does this mean that Flaming Thunder requires explicit checking rather
> than offering exceptions?
Right now, yes, Flaming Thunder has minimal error handling. But error
handling is rising on the list of priorities for the next few weeks
(arrays, matrices, and 3D graphics are the hightest).
I th
I V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:35:50 -0700, Charles Hixson wrote:
> > Although when comparing Candygram with Erlang it's worth noting that
> > Candygram is bound to one processor, where Erlang can operate on
> > multiple processors. (I'd been planning on using Candygram fo
Brian Quinlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Parker wrote:
>>> Or just:
>>>
>>> If command is "quit" ...
>>
>> Hmmm. In Flaming Thunder, I'm using "is" (and "is an", "is a", etc)
>> for assigning and checking types. For example, to read data from a
>> file and check for errors:
>>
>> R
On May 23, 3:35 am, Charles Hixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 22 May 2008 13:30:07 Nick Craig-Wood wrote:
>
> > ...
> > >From Armstrong's book: The expression Pattern = Expression causes
>
> > Expression to be evaluated and the result matched against Pattern. The
> > match either succ
On 13 Mai, 01:39, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've read that one of the design goals of Python was to create an easy-
> to-use English-like language. That's also one of the design goals of
> Flaming Thunder athttp://www.flamingthunder.com/ , which has proven
> easy enough for even ele
On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:35:50 -0700, Charles Hixson wrote:
> Although when comparing Candygram with Erlang it's worth noting that
> Candygram is bound to one processor, where Erlang can operate on
> multiple processors. (I'd been planning on using Candygram for a project
> at one point, but this mad
On Thursday 22 May 2008 13:30:07 Nick Craig-Wood wrote:
> ...
> >From Armstrong's book: The expression Pattern = Expression causes
>
> Expression to be evaluated and the result matched against Pattern. The
> match either succeeds or fails. If the match succeeds any variables
> occurring in Pattern
Dave Parker wrote:
Or just:
If command is "quit" ...
Hmmm. In Flaming Thunder, I'm using "is" (and "is an", "is a", etc)
for assigning and checking types. For example, to read data from a
file and check for errors:
Read data from "input.txt".
If data is an error then go to ...
H
Hallöchen!
Matthew Woodcraft writes:
> [...]
>
> At one time, Guido was very keen on the idea of Python as a
> language to introduce non-programmers to (under the 'Computer
> Programming for Everybody' slogan).
>
> I think it's rather a shame that this has more-or-less fallen by
> the wayside. Th
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So it seems like you're designing a language for non-programmers.
> That's good, I've never heard about anyone so interested in teaching
> programming for kids and non-programmers. But in that case, you
> shouldn't even be comparing it to Python.
At one time, Guido was
Mel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mensanator wrote:
> > On May 22, 10:30??am, Nick Craig-Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > But after getting input from children and teachers, etc, it started
> >> > feeling right.
> >>
> >> > For example, consider the
On 22 mai, 18:56, Mensanator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 22, 10:30 am, Nick Craig-Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > But after getting input from children and teachers, etc, it started
> > > feeling right.
>
> > > For example, consider
Mensanator wrote:
> On May 22, 10:30 am, Nick Craig-Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > But after getting input from children and teachers, etc, it started
>> > feeling right.
>>
>> > For example, consider the two statements:
>>
>> > x = 8
>> > x = 10
>>
On May 22, 10:30 am, Nick Craig-Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But after getting input from children and teachers, etc, it started
> > feeling right.
>
> > For example, consider the two statements:
>
> > x = 8
> > x = 10
>
> > The reacti
Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But after getting input from children and teachers, etc, it started
> feeling right.
>
> For example, consider the two statements:
>
> x = 8
> x = 10
>
> The reaction from most math teachers (and kids) was "one of those is
> wrong because
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
(snip)
Maybe if I have a kid someday I'll teach him Flaming
Thunder! (just kidding, you prick).
Err... Could we please avoid name calling, gentlemens ?
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On May 21, 10:34 am, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On May 20, 7:05 pm, Collin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Personally, FT is a bit meh to me. The way you issue your statements I
> > always think something is wrong, mainly because when I want to define,
> > say, x, in python I'd go:
>
Daniel Fetchinson a écrit :
Or just:
If command is "quit" ...
Hmmm. In Flaming Thunder, I'm using "is" (and "is an", "is a", etc)
for assigning and checking types. For example, to read data from a
file and check for errors:
Read data from "input.txt".
If data is an error then go to
Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Read data from "input.txt".
If data is an error then go to ...
>>>
>>> Arf ! A goto !
>>
>> You are surely aware of the fact that the C source of python also uses
>> goto at tons of places. Is that Arf! too?
>
> In the hands of a skil
On 21 Mag, 17:34, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] symbols are more confusing for people to learn about than
> words. There are lots of people who are fluent in English, but
> dislike math.
>
> So, I opted for a simple, unambiguous, non-mathematical way of
> expressing "assignment"
On May 21, 7:49 pm, MRAB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've thought of one possible drawback: "a" and "an" can be used as
> variables, so the "is a" part might cause a problem. You'd need to
> check the parser to find out...
Good point, I hadn't noticed that. I'll check it out.
--
http://mail.pyth
On May 21, 8:34 pm, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 21, 1:14 pm, MRAB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I wonder whether "is" could be used both for "x is value" and "x is a
> > type" without causing a problem:
>
> > If command is a string ...
>
> > If command is "quit" ...
>
> I thi
Dave Parker wrote:
On May 20, 7:05 pm, Collin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Personally, FT is a bit meh to me. The way you issue your statements I
always think something is wrong, mainly because when I want to define,
say, x, in python I'd go:
x = "whatever"
Instantly noting that I defined x. Wh
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Fuzzyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 14, 10:30 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Dave Parker schrieb:
>> > > All of the calculators and textbooks that elementary school students
>> > > use, use "^" for powers.
>>
>> I've never seen th
On May 14, 10:30 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dave Parker schrieb:
> > > All of the calculators and textbooks that elementary school students
> > > use, use "^" for powers.
>
> I've never seen this symbol in textbooks. In textbooks, powers are
> written using superscript.
On May 21, 1:29 pm, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... --somewhat akin to the
> guy who a month or so ago wanted to sneakily teach his high school
> class programming fundamentals by teaching them game programming.
Yep, that's kind of my plan, too. After I get enough "computer
language
On May 21, 1:14 pm, MRAB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder whether "is" could be used both for "x is value" and "x is a
> type" without causing a problem:
>
> If command is a string ...
>
> If command is "quit" ...
I think you are right. I like "If command is "quit" ...". For a user
who wasn
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Dave Parker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 21, 10:00 am, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Sounds to me like the teacher is being difficult, ...
>
> No, proof-by-contradiction is a common technique in math. If you can
> show that x=8 and x=10, then
On May 21, 4:15 pm, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Or just:
>
> > If command is "quit" ...
>
> Hmmm. In Flaming Thunder, I'm using "is" (and "is an", "is a", etc)
> for assigning and checking types. For example, to read data from a
> file and check for errors:
>
> Read data from
Hallöchen!
Daniel Fetchinson writes:
Or just:
If command is "quit" ...
>>>
>>> Hmmm. In Flaming Thunder, I'm using "is" (and "is an", "is a", etc)
>>> for assigning and checking types. For example, to read data from a
>>> file and check for errors:
>>>
>>> Read data from "in
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Daniel Fetchinson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Or just:
If command is "quit" ...
>>>
>>> Hmmm. In Flaming Thunder, I'm using "is" (and "is an", "is a", etc)
>>> for assigning and checking types. For example, to read data from a
>>> file and check for
>>> Or just:
>>>
>>> If command is "quit" ...
>>
>> Hmmm. In Flaming Thunder, I'm using "is" (and "is an", "is a", etc)
>> for assigning and checking types. For example, to read data from a
>> file and check for errors:
>>
>> Read data from "input.txt".
>> If data is an error then go to
On May 21, 10:00 am, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sounds to me like the teacher is being difficult, ...
No, proof-by-contradiction is a common technique in math. If you can
show that x=8 and x=10, then you have shown that your assumptions were
incorrect.
> If you can't do, or don't
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Dave Parker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For example, consider the two statements:
>
> x = 8
> x = 10
>
> The reaction from most math teachers (and kids) was "one of those is
> wrong because x can't equal 2 different things at the same time".
Sounds to me
On May 20, 7:05 pm, Collin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, FT is a bit meh to me. The way you issue your statements I
> always think something is wrong, mainly because when I want to define,
> say, x, in python I'd go:
>
> x = "whatever"
>
> Instantly noting that I defined x. While in Fla
Dave Parker a écrit :
Or just:
If command is "quit" ...
Hmmm. In Flaming Thunder, I'm using "is" (and "is an", "is a", etc)
for assigning and checking types. For example, to read data from a
file and check for errors:
Read data from "input.txt".
If data is an error then go to ...
> Or just:
>
> If command is "quit" ...
Hmmm. In Flaming Thunder, I'm using "is" (and "is an", "is a", etc)
for assigning and checking types. For example, to read data from a
file and check for errors:
Read data from "input.txt".
If data is an error then go to ...
Or when assigning a
> Personally (and borrowing from Python), I'd prefer something more
> like:
>
> Write "Fa".
> Repeat 8 times:
> Write "-la".
I actually kind of prefer that, too. Or
Repeat 8 times write "-la".
I'll think about it. Thank you for suggesting it.
On May 20, 3:40 pm, MRAB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
Dave Parker wrote:
I've read that one of the design goals of Python was to create an easy-
to-use English-like language. That's also one of the design goals of
Flaming Thunder at http://www.flamingthunder.com/ , which has proven
easy enough for even elementary school students, even though it is
On May 20, 4:33 am, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 14, 7:59 pm, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Would it be valid to say:
>
> > x = "concrete"
>
> > or to say:
>
> > if command (is) set to "quit"
>
> > ??
>
> I like the idea of:
>
> If command is set to "quit" ...
On May 20, 4:20 am, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Plus, me getting paid to work on Flaming Thunder is far more
> > > motivating than me not getting paid to work on Python.
> > On May 14, 8:30 pm, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's tr
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Dave Parker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> For another example, I've always preferred languages that are English-
> like because it's easier to return to your code after several years
> and still know what you were doing (and it's easier for someone else
> to maint
On Mon, 19 May 2008 20:20:28 -0700 (PDT)
Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To whit: you pointed out the awkwardness in Python of having to
> declare a for-loop variable when you only wanted to loop a specific
> number of times and didn't need the variable.
Well, I wasn't so much trying to
On May 14, 7:59 pm, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would it be valid to say:
>
> x = "concrete"
>
> or to say:
>
> if command (is) set to "quit"
>
> ??
I like the idea of:
If command is set to "quit" ...
I've added it to my list of things to think about, and possibly
implement.
--
On May 13, 11:42 am, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, python will definitely never have a name that sounds like
> a slang term for happens after you get food poisioning at a
> Thai restaurant...
:)
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
> > I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Plus, me getting paid to work on Flaming Thunder is far more
> > motivating than me not getting paid to work on Python.
> On May 14, 8:30 pm, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's truly disappointing.
I guess I could have stated that better. Flamin
2008/5/15 John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
> Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I'm pretty generally interested, but where can print layout take you?
> >
> > Not far, especially with books disappearing. Our library says that
> > these days,
On May 16, 3:58 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 mai, 19:30, Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 4:08 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 14 mai, 08:08, Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 14, 12:51 pm, Lie <[EMAIL
On 15 mai, 19:30, Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 15, 4:08 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>
>
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 14 mai, 08:08, Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > On May 14, 12:51 pm, Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > And your 8 by 8 cross compiler doesn't impress me
On May 15, 4:08 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 14 mai, 08:08, Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On May 14, 12:51 pm, Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > And your 8 by 8 cross compiler doesn't impress me at all, they're all
> > > based on x86/IA-32 architecture which i
On Tue, 13 May 2008 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm pretty generally interested, but where can print layout take you?
>
> Not far, especially with books disappearing. Our library says that
> these days, only 25% of their checkouts are books; the other 75% are
On Tue, 13 May 2008 08:24:35 -0700 (PDT)
Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that many people will find that Flaming Thunder is easier to
> use and understand than Python
I respectfully disagree.
> Plus, me getting paid to work on Flaming Thunder is far more
> motivating than me not
On Mon, 12 May 2008 16:39:25 -0700 (PDT)
Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've read that one of the design goals of Python was to create an easy-
> to-use English-like language. That's also one of the design goals of
> Flaming Thunder at http://www.flamingthunder.com/ , which has proven
On May 14, 10:30 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dave Parker schrieb:
> > > All of the calculators and textbooks that elementary school students
> > > use, use "^" for powers.
>
> I've never seen this symbol in textbooks. In textbooks, powers are
> written using superscript.
On 13 mai, 18:36, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(snip)
> Also, in Python how do you assign a symbolic equation to a variable?
> Like this?
>
> QuadraticEquation = a*x^2 + b*x + c = 0
quadratic_equation = lambda x, b, c : a*(x**2) + b*x + c == 0
or if x, b and c are supposed to be captur
> Dave Parker schrieb:
> > All of the calculators and textbooks that elementary school students
> > use, use "^" for powers.
I've never seen this symbol in textbooks. In textbooks, powers are
written using superscript.
>> Just like Flaming Thunder does. I haven't
> > seen "**" for powers since
On 13 mai, 19:05, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just to support this statement: PHP runs an order of magnitude slower than
> > python. Yet a great deal (if not the majority) of dynamic sites out there
> > run under PHP. All of these are unhappy customers?
>
> The websites owners might
On 14 mai, 08:08, Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 14, 12:51 pm, Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > And your 8 by 8 cross compiler doesn't impress me at all, they're all
> > based on x86/IA-32 architecture which is quite similar, no PowerPC,
> > SPARC, ARM, no other CISC or RISC architectu
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 13:27 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 14 mai, 00:41, John Machin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (snip)
> > IIRC the idea was so that managers could write programs in English. It
> > failed because nobody could write a parser that would handle something
> > like "The bottom
On 14 mai, 00:41, John Machin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(snip)
> IIRC the idea was so that managers could write programs in English. It
> failed because nobody could write a parser that would handle something
> like "The bottom line is that the stakeholder group requires the
> situation going forw
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 01:05:38 pm Dave Parker wrote:
> The websites owners might not be unhappy, but lots of customers
> complain about slow websites, so if the market is competitive then
> eventually the PHP fad will die out.
On my [modest] experience, bandwidth trumps code speed by a large frac
2008/5/14 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 8x8 is pretty easy to aim for. Turn on 16x16, and you're the laptop
> to stand on. FxF?
I'll see your 16x16 and raise you 32x32. Any number is pretty easy to
aim for when one can arbitrarily invent 2nx2n.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co
On May 14, 8:43 am, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> That's also a myth. For example, if C is easy to maintain, why is
> >>> Flaming Thunder the only single-asset 8-by-8 shotgun cross compiler in
> >>> the world? There should be lots of single-asset 8-by-8 shotgun cross
> >>> c
Dave Parker a écrit :
5-10 times faster for what kind of code?
Mostly numerical analysis
Benches, please ? I mean : benches using Python's numpy or similar
packages - that is, what anyone doing numerical intensive computation in
Python would use.
and CGI scripting.
Is there anyone stil
>>> That's also a myth. For example, if C is easy to maintain, why is
>>> Flaming Thunder the only single-asset 8-by-8 shotgun cross compiler in
>>> the world? There should be lots of single-asset 8-by-8 shotgun cross
>>> compilers written in C, if C is easier to maintain.
>>Not only is it the wo
On Wed, 14 May 2008 06:53:02 -0400, "J. Clifford Dyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 10:33 -0700, Dave Parker wrote:
> You sound like a commercial.
Get Flaming Thunder for only $19.95! It slices, it dices!
> And while programs and libraries written in assembly may be twice
On May 14, 5:53 am, "J. Clifford Dyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 10:33 -0700, Dave Parker wrote:
> > > You sound like a commercial.
>
> > Get Flaming Thunder for only $19.95! It slices, it dices!
>
> > > And while programs and libraries written in assembly may be twice as
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