Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Some of the reasons are explained here: http://www.amk.ca/python/writing/why-not-zope.html I am using the last Zope (2.8.4) at work, and the situation is slightly better now than in the past, but only slightly. Zope 3 looks better, but I am not sure how much better. Michele Simionato

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Kirk Strauser wrote: > Michele Simionato wrote: > > >>when I think Zope is the less Pythonic application I have ever seen;) > > > You do? Why so? I'm not arguing, but that's different than my experience > with it and I'm curious about how you reached that conclusion. I can remeber, that I had

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Michele Simionato wrote: > when I think Zope is the less Pythonic application I have ever seen;) You do? Why so? I'm not arguing, but that's different than my experience with it and I'm curious about how you reached that conclusion. -- Kirk Strauser -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Kirk Strauser: > I wrote this article which was published in Free Software Magazine: > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_09/intro_zope_1/ If find funny your headline """ Zope's biggest distinguishing characteristic is how closely it models the language it is written in: Python

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Terry Hancock wrote: > I find that it's not difficult to explain Python object handling if you > simply insist on the concept of "name binding" instead of "variable > assignment": That was a pretty good explanation. I'll probably use that next time. > Makes for a nice figure, too, which Fre

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 09:33:09 -0600 Kirk Strauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have fair points. Unfortunately, though, the word > length of the article just didn't provide enough space to > go into the level of detail those subjects would have > required. I tried to compromise by giving the a

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't want to nit-pick all my way through the article, which > is very decent and is worth reading, but I will say one more thing: you > describe Python as "an expressive, interpreted language". Python is no > more interpreted than Java. Like Java, it

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't want to nit-pick all my way through the article, which > is very decent and is worth reading, but I will say one more thing: you > describe Python as "an expressive, interpreted language". Python is no > more interpreted than Java. Like Java, it

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

On Sunday 01 January 2006 01:06 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I don't want to nit-pick all my way through the article, There's nothing wrong with that, and if I hadn't been prepared for it, I wouldn't have posted the link in here. You have fair points. Unfortunately, though, the word length of t

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 06:09:14 -0500, Dan Sommers wrote: > > >>On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:06:10 +1100, >>Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>I don't want to nit-pick all my way through the article, which is very >>>decent and is worth reading, but I will say one

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I'm worried > about people who pre-judging (as in prejudice) Python negatively on the > basis of buzzwords they barely understand. > For those with prejudice, it doesn't matter anyway. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 02:55:01 -0800, bonono wrote: >> But sadly, many decision makers don't understand these subtleties. To >> them, compiled languages like C++ and Java are Good, interpreted languages >> are Bad and doomed to be slow and weak. As soon as you describe >> Zope/Python as "interpreted

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 06:09:14 -0500, Dan Sommers wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:06:10 +1100, > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't want to nit-pick all my way through the article, which is very >> decent and is worth reading, but I will say one more thing: you >> describe Pyth

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:06:10 +1100, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't want to nit-pick all my way through the article, which is very > decent and is worth reading, but I will say one more thing: you > describe Python as "an expressive, interpreted language" ... So does

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:42:36 -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > I wrote this article which was published in Free Software Magazine: > > > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_09/intro_zope_1/ > > > > It's intended as a high-level overview of the language,

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:42:36 -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > I wrote this article which was published in Free Software Magazine: > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_09/intro_zope_1/ > > It's intended as a high-level overview of the language, and therefore > glosses over some

Re: Python article in Free Software Magazine

Kirk Strauser wrote: > I wrote this article which was published in Free Software Magazine: > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_09/intro_zope_1/ > > It's intended as a high-level overview of the language, and therefore > glosses over some of the details. For example, I descr

Python article in Free Software Magazine

I wrote this article which was published in Free Software Magazine: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_09/intro_zope_1/ It's intended as a high-level overview of the language, and therefore glosses over some of the details. For example, I describe its function calling mechanis