Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-29 Thread Greg Ewing
Leif B. Kristensen wrote: I've got a thirteen-year old daughter to whom I have recently taught the HTML basics, but she doesn't readily take to actual programming. If you've got any idea what I should push to her to get her fascinated about _real_ programming, I'd be obliged. If she's interested in

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-29 Thread Joal Heagney
Duncan Booth wrote: Joal Heagney wrote: Nice. I still have to download a version of pygame to try this out, but the fact that you can't hide the turtle in python.turtle was bugging me out with my version. (A fair bit of copy/paste in gimp, I can tell you!) What was wrong with hiding the turtle?

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-29 Thread Joal Heagney
Joal Heagney wrote: Joal Heagney wrote: Duncan Booth wrote: Joal Heagney wrote: Nice. I still have to download a version of pygame to try this out, but the fact that you can't hide the turtle in python.turtle was bugging me out with my version. (A fair bit of copy/paste in gimp, I can tell you!

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-29 Thread Joal Heagney
Joal Heagney wrote: Duncan Booth wrote: Joal Heagney wrote: Nice. I still have to download a version of pygame to try this out, but the fact that you can't hide the turtle in python.turtle was bugging me out with my version. (A fair bit of copy/paste in gimp, I can tell you!) What was wrong wi

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-29 Thread Greg Ewing
Jot wrote: If she's really gifted i hope she dumps that obsolete monolithic kernel as soon as she realizes that such beautiful language as python shouldn't be used on top of ugly, badly designed software. Maybe she'll go on to write that oft-proposed pure Python operating system, and give us a co

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-29 Thread Duncan Booth
Joal Heagney wrote: > Nice. I still have to download a version of pygame to try this out, but > the fact that you can't hide the turtle in python.turtle was bugging me > out with my version. (A fair bit of copy/paste in gimp, I can tell you!) What was wrong with hiding the turtle? 'turtle.trace

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-28 Thread Joal Heagney
Lee Harr wrote: On 2005-03-27, Joal Heagney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Couldn't help myself. I had to write the Dragon Fractal in python.turtle :) That's nice. I ported it to use the pygsear Turtle class. http://www.nongnu.org/pygsear/ Nice. I still have to download a version of pygame to try this

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-28 Thread Lee Harr
On 2005-03-27, Joal Heagney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Couldn't help myself. I had to write the Dragon Fractal in python.turtle >:) > That's nice. I ported it to use the pygsear Turtle class. http://www.nongnu.org/pygsear/ --- Dragon.py 2005-03-27 08:48:13.0 -0500 +++ pDragon.py 200

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-28 Thread Fred Pacquier
Christos "TZOTZIOY" Georgiou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said : >>OT/trivia : if it was between mid-eighties and early nineties, the >>company could be "Goupil" (ancien french for "Fox"). > > Exactly! That was it... it was October or November 1981, though (early > eighties). Oh... probably a "G2" model

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-28 Thread TZOTZIOY
On 24 Mar 2005 13:33:58 GMT, rumours say that Fred Pacquier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> might have written: >Christos "TZOTZIOY" Georgiou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said : > >> At the age of nine at school, two guys from a French computer-making >> company named as "Loup" (in french) or "Lupo" (in Italian), can'

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-27 Thread Lee Harr
On 2005-03-27, Joal Heagney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Couldn't help myself. I had to write the Dragon Fractal in python.turtle >:) > That's nice. I ported it to use the pygsear Turtle class. http://www.nongnu.org/pygsear/ --- Dragon.py 2005-03-27 08:48:13.0 -0500 +++ pDragon.py 200

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-27 Thread Arthur
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:50:36 -0700, Jules Dubois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wednesday 23 March 2005 22:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >(<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > >> Is there something out there like "Python for kids" which would explain >> *basic* programming concepts in a way w

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-27 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Is there something out there like "Python for kids" which would explain >*basic* programming concepts in a way which is accessible and >entertaining for kids aged 10-14 (that about where her brain is right >now) and which would allow th

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-27 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michele Simionato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >But here I am discussing other kind of intellectual capabilities, >in particular the ability to learn a programming language. > >I think the problem most kids face is *not* lack of intellectual >capability, but lack of

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-26 Thread Joal Heagney
Simon Brunning wrote: On 23 Mar 2005 21:03:04 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there something out there like "Python for kids" which would explain *basic* programming concepts in a way which is accessible and entertaining for kids aged 10-14 (that about where her brain is ri

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-25 Thread Joal Heagney
Simon Brunning wrote: On 23 Mar 2005 21:03:04 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there something out there like "Python for kids" which would explain *basic* programming concepts in a way which is accessible and entertaining for kids aged 10-14 (that about where her brain is rig

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-25 Thread cfbolz
Simon Brunning wrote: > I don't know about kid's tutorials, but I can recommend that you try > the turtle module. It's great for kids. It gives really good immediate > feedback, You can start out using it interactively: FWIW there is a German Book called called "Python für Kids" by Gregor Lingl

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-25 Thread Lucas Raab
Leif B. Kristensen wrote: R.Meijer wrote: Jot nad.com> writes: If she's really gifted i hope she dumps that obsolete monolithic kernel as soon as she realizes that such beautiful language as python shouldn't be used on top of ugly, badly designed software. Did somebody say off-topic? I'd say it

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-25 Thread Paul Rubin
You might like the book "Mindstorms", by Seymour Papert. The intro is here: http://www.papert.org/articles/GearsOfMyChildhood.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Jules Dubois
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 22:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > Is there something out there like "Python for kids" which would explain > *basic* programming concepts in a way which is accessible and > entertaining for kids aged 10-14 It's not what you asked

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Paul Rubin
"Leif B. Kristensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've got a thirteen-year old daughter to whom I have recently taught the > HTML basics, but she doesn't readily take to actual programming. If > you've got any idea what I should push to her to get her fascinated > about _real_ programming, I'd be

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Ville Vainio
> "Bengt" == Bengt Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bengt> Or they may identify with their gift and become Bengt> insufferable narcissistic egotists as a refuge from human Bengt> isolation and emotional starvation. Bengt> Or they may become wonderful human beings after all,

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Leif B. Kristensen
R.Meijer wrote: > Jot nad.com> writes: > >> If she's really gifted i hope she dumps that obsolete monolithic >> kernel as soon as she realizes that such beautiful language as python >> shouldn't be used on top of ugly, badly designed software. > > Did somebody say off-topic? I'd say it's a "Tr

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Bengt Richter
On 24 Mar 2005 07:21:33 -0800, "El Pitonero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Lucas Raab wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > I am blessed with a *very* gifted nine-years old daughter... >> > Now, I would like to teach her programming basics using Python >> >> Let her mess around with it on her own.

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread R.Meijer
Jot nad.com> writes: > > tnozh yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am blessed with a *very* gifted nine-years old daughter for whom I > > have recently installed an old GNU/Linux Mandrake 7.2 > > If she's really gifted i hope she dumps that obsolete monolithic kernel > as soon as she realize

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Jot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am blessed with a *very* gifted nine-years old daughter for whom I have recently installed an old GNU/Linux Mandrake 7.2 If she's really gifted i hope she dumps that obsolete monolithic kernel as soon as she realizes that such beautiful language as python shouldn't

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Michael Spencer
Simon Brunning wrote: On 23 Mar 2005 21:03:04 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there something out there like "Python for kids" which would explain *basic* programming concepts in a way which is accessible and entertaining for kids aged 10-14 (that about where her brain is rig

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Scott David Daniels
Christos TZOTZIOY Georgiou wrote: For example, one could issue the following *single* instruction: MOVE.L ($18000), ($18004) But the cost of that design is that the machine state becomes more complicated -- the instruction has to have two distinct memory ops. Usually this means there is a "secr

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread El Pitonero
Lucas Raab wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I am blessed with a *very* gifted nine-years old daughter... > > Now, I would like to teach her programming basics using Python > > Let her mess around with it on her own. I'm 15 and have been using > Python for 2-3 years and had nothing to really go

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Simon Brunning
On 23 Mar 2005 21:03:04 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there something out there like "Python for kids" which would explain > *basic* programming concepts in a way which is accessible and > entertaining for kids aged 10-14 (that about where her brain is right > now) and wh

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread nsm . nikhil
i think that if she starts out with HTML or something it would be easier. I feel it is easier to learn computers when you are younger cos I am 14 now and i started at 12 and the journey has been quite easy. If she can handle a proper language like python then you might as well go ahead. -- http:/

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Fred Pacquier
Christos "TZOTZIOY" Georgiou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said : > At the age of nine at school, two guys from a French computer-making > company named as "Loup" (in french) or "Lupo" (in Italian), can't > remember which --if either is correct--, came and gave us a demo of one > of their models. OT/trivia

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread moma
> Well i don't know of any tutorials but i thought of a cool little > "assignment" that might interest someone of that age assuming english > is her first language. Good idea. 1) Have u noticed that whn yu raed that srcamled text luodly, it sounds like spoken by a deaf person. (because severe loss

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Jim
My kids like http://www.alice.org (although they run it under Windows). Jim Hefferon -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Reinout van Schouwen
Hi, On Thu, 23 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am blessed with a *very* gifted nine-years old daughter for whom I have recently installed an old GNU/Linux Mandrake 7.2 on an equally old Pentium Pro box. FWIW. Given a reasonable amount of RAM (256MB should suffice), newer Mandrakelinux versions

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread TZOTZIOY
On 24 Mar 2005 14:50:39 +0200, rumours say that Ville Vainio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> might have written: >> "Christos" == TZOTZIOY writes: > >Christos> (first hw upgrade I ever did!), and one year and a half >Christos> later, I managed to get the Sinclair QL, with better >Christos> B

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Ville Vainio
> "Christos" == TZOTZIOY writes: Christos> (first hw upgrade I ever did!), and one year and a half Christos> later, I managed to get the Sinclair QL, with better Christos> BASIC, multitasking capabilities, and something more Christos> like an OS than any other home computer t

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread TZOTZIOY
On 24 Mar 2005 02:35:34 -0800, rumours say that "Michele Simionato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> might have written: >I am pretty much convinced I could have mastered Python at the age >of nine. Of course, I cannot prove it, since when I was nine >I had no computer, I did not know English, and Python was

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread MyHaz
Michele Simionato: >Actually, one could even make the case that children are much > better than adults at learning new things. In the case of natural languge it has been pretty much proven that children are (much) better/faster at learning then adults. Now it is left to be shown if this carries ov

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread Michele Simionato
Your post and the following answers made me think. It is widely held that the intellectual capabilities of children are inferior to the capabilities of adultes. Nevertheless, I wonder to which extent this is true. There is no doubt that the critical sense is much less developed in children than i

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-24 Thread MyHaz
Well i don't know of any tutorials but i thought of a cool little "assignment" that might interest someone of that age assuming english is her first language. Its a neat little trick with english and the way that we proccess letter combinations (or should i say permuations). But a program that turn

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-23 Thread Marcin Mika
you may want to introduce her to programming competitions, which will provide her with a very strong foundation of algorithm design and programming techniques. http://oldweb.uwp.edu/academic/mathematics/usaco/ > I am blessed with a *very* gifted nine-years old daughter for whom I > have recently

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-23 Thread Stephen Thorne
On 23 Mar 2005 21:03:04 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I am blessed with a *very* gifted nine-years old daughter for whom I > have recently installed an old GNU/Linux Mandrake 7.2 on an equally old > Pentium Pro box. She is enjoying it tremendously and has no proble

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-23 Thread Paul Rubin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Is there something out there like "Python for kids" which would explain > *basic* programming concepts in a way which is accessible and > entertaining for kids aged 10-14 (that about where her brain is right > now) and which would allow them to "play around" and have fun

Re: Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-23 Thread Lucas Raab
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am blessed with a *very* gifted nine-years old daughter for whom I have recently installed an old GNU/Linux Mandrake 7.2 on an equally old Pentium Pro box. She is enjoying it tremendously and has no problems understanding simple desktop operations and the file system

Python for a 10-14 years old?

2005-03-23 Thread tnozh
Hi, I am blessed with a *very* gifted nine-years old daughter for whom I have recently installed an old GNU/Linux Mandrake 7.2 on an equally old Pentium Pro box. She is enjoying it tremendously and has no problems understanding simple desktop operations and the file system basics (Needless to say