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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:50:22 GMT Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It is almost like providing ladders and setting out cookies and milk >for the burglars. Fire escapes at christmas. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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"Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Rethink what you are saying. You'll see that what you propose as > reasons for one, is actually for the other. Nonsense. It is plain error to change what someone said and claim they said it, even if you think that what

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> Xah Lee, on Aug 22, 2:43 pm wrote: > Unix, RFC, and Line Truncation > http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/truncate_line.html Steve wrote: > I've seen this argument before. There's at least one VERY good reason > to hard-code linebreaks in text: to preserve a covert channel. It's > really

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Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In comp.lang.java.programmer Ross Bamford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted: > About all email has going for it these days is an open format and a > large existing user base. Yeah, and all that Windows has going for it is being on 9X% of the desktops. Noth

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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:59:47 GMT, Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Essentially, IM can do pretty-much everything email can these days, but >the reverse is not true at all. The problem with IM is the various IM schemes don't talk to each other. You need a client that knows all t

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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:12:23 GMT, Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >> - Any ability to automatically generate hits on sender-specified >> servers when the email is read. > >I hadn't though of that one. As well as use in DDOS attacks, that >can help let spammers know if they have

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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:40:26 GMT, Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >I didn't think unicode domain names existed. you can even buy them. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/domainnames.html under "Chinese Domain Names". -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Again

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Gordon Burditt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted: > Before worrying about the possible bugs in the implementations, > worry about security issues present in the *DESIGN*. Email ought > to be usable to carry out a conversation *SAFELY* with some person out > to get you. Thus features like this

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In comp.lang.java.programmer Ross Bamford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted: > Roedy, I would just _love_ to see the response from the industry when you > tell them they should dump their whole mail infrastructure, and switch > over to a whole new system (new protocols, new security holes, n

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In comp.lang.java.programmer Paul Rubin wrote or quoted: > Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Are there any examples of HTML email causing security problems - outside > > of Microsoft's software? > > There was a pretty good one that went something like > > Cl

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote: > On 16 Oct 2005 00:31:38 GMT, John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:14:45 GMT, Roedy Green >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:32:09 -0500, l v <[EMAIL

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:24:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote or > quoted : >>How about pdf? > My complaint with it is it is Adobe proprietary. This make the tools > very expensive. No, it isn't. The standard is publicly available, so anyone c

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 3. You don't have to guess what the end user will see. If you include the fonts, which makes big documents which slows down the loading and rendering... I've seen quite a number of PDF that are ill-rendered or not rendered at all. -- "You cannot really

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On 16 Oct 2005 00:31:38 GMT, John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote: > >> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:14:45 GMT, Roedy Green >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:32:09 -0500, l v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >>> I think e-mail

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > End users HATE PDF. Why? > > It takes so long for the reader to load. xpdf comes up almost instantly here. Maybe end users should consider finding a better PDF reader. -- "Your correction is 100% correct and 0% helpful. Well done!" --Richard Heathfield

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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:24:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote or quoted : >>I try to explain Java each day both on my website on the plaintext >>only newsgroups. It is so much easier to get my point across in HTML. >How about pdf? End users HATE PDF. Why? It takes so long for the re

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon Burditt) wrote: But HTML is not the problem! >>> Right, it's what the HTML-interpreting engines might do that is >>> the problem. >> >>You mean the same problem as for example using a very long header in >>your email to cause a buffer overflow? That is possible with

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>>>But HTML is not the problem! >> Right, it's what the HTML-interpreting engines might do that is >> the problem. > >You mean the same problem as for example using a very long header in >your email to cause a buffer overflow? That is possible with plain >ASCII, and has been done. Before worryin

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote: > On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:14:45 GMT, Roedy Green > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:32:09 -0500, l v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >> >>>I think e-mail should be text only. > I think that is a useful base standard, which allows

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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:14:45 GMT, Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:32:09 -0500, l v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : > >>I think e-mail should be text only. I think that is a useful base standard, which allows easy creation of ad-hoc tools to search and extract d

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"Roedy Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:45:03 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > or quoted : > >>Jeff Poskanzer, now *he* has a spam problem. He gets a few million >>spams a day: http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering/ >. > > It is

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Paul Rubin writes: >> Not so: you disable Java, Javascript and plugins. You leave the ability >> to format, colour and hint documents. This is not /that/ difficult. > Don't forget disabling Unicode. To kill web bugs, you have to turn off images, and anything else th

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> > Not so: you disable Java, Javascript and plugins. You leave the ability > > to format, colour and hint documents. This is not /that/ difficult. > > Don't forget disabling Unicode. http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/02/15/firefox_to_disable_idn_support_as_phishing_defense.html -- R

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Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are there any examples of HTML email causing security problems - outside > of Microsoft's software? There was a pretty good one that went something like Click this link to download latest security patch! http://www.mxx.com.>Microsoft Security C

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>> >>1. flipping to a digital id based email system so that the sender of >>any piece of mail can be legally identified and prosecuted. >>If every piece of anonymous email disappeared that would go a long >>way to clearing up spam. Let those sending ransom notes, death >>threats and hate mail use

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In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted: > Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted: > >> The technial problems have been solved for over a decade. NeXT shipped > >> systems that used t

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:04:14 GMT Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:42:18 +0200, Stefaan A Eeckels > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : > > >"I don't understand that attitude. Don't we want email that has > > dancing bears, cute little videos, musical tunes, anima

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Brendan Guild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> 2. flipping to a sender pays system so that the Internet does not >> subsidise spam. > > This is very promising. Our ISPs should put limits on how much email we > can send. The limits should be rather insane, nothing that any > nonspammer would ever co

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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Rubin wrote: > Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Next Mr. Phish had to present his passport etc when he got his Thawte > > ID. Now Interpol has a much better handle on putting him in jail. > > He can't repudiate his phishi

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon Burditt) writes: > I'm not sure that you can disable Javascript from reading cookies > from other sites while allowing Javascript to read cookies from the > site it came from on all browsers. Javascript is not supposed to be able to read cross-site cookies. It's bad but i

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>> Does the language allow Javascript to open a new window? Does the >> language allow Javascript to trigger a function when a window is >> closed? I believe the answer to both questions is YES. Then it >> is possible to have a page that pops up two windows whenever you >> close one. > >This was

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Brendan Guild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This was a problem, but modern browsers implement Javascript in such a > way that it requires permission from the user before it will open a new > window. Not really true, it's easy to defeat that, and also generally the pop-up blocker only blocks wind

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Gordon Burditt wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Does the language allow Javascript to open a new window? Does the > language allow Javascript to trigger a function when a window is > closed? I believe the answer to both questions is YES. Then it > is possible to have a page that pops up two

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On Wednesday 12 October 2005 04:37 pm, Roedy Green wrote: > It is a bit like termites. If we don't do something drastic to deal > with spam, the ruddy things will eventually make the entire Internet > unusable. > > the three keys to me are: > > 1. flipping to a digital id based email system so th

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Roedy Green wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:45:03 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > or quoted : > >>Jeff Poskanzer, now *he* has a spam problem. He gets a few million >>spams a day: http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering/ >. > > It is a bit like termites. If we

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>Hello? I don't think that should make any difference. I should be able >to visit absolutely any website on the Internet without any danger to my >computer or the data stored on it. Any browser which allows otherwise >has a bug. Then Javascript *as a language* is a bug. >Javascript is not inhere

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:32:03 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > or quoted : >>That won't prevent phishing, that will just raise the threshhold a >>little. The first hurdle you have to get past is that most mail agents >>want to show a human name,

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In comp.lang.perl.misc Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:17:45 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote >>No, that's what makes email a vector for infection. What makes using >>the address book - for whatever purpose - possible for viruses is >>having an API that

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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:04:17 +0100, > wrote: > Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Next Mr. Phish had to present his passport etc when he got his Thawte >> ID. Now Interpol has a much better handle on putting him in jail. >> He can't repudiate his phishing attempt. > > Any underage drinker

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Next Mr. Phish had to present his passport etc when he got his Thawte > ID. Now Interpol has a much better handle on putting him in jail. > He can't repudiate his phishing attempt. Any underage drinker in a college town can tell you a hundred ways to get

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:43:56 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Yup, you solved an easy problem - designing a spam-proof email >system. That's been done any number of times. The hard part is a >deployment strategy that will actually get the world to transition to >such a syst

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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:17:45 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : > >No, that's what makes email a vector for infection. What makes using >the address book - for whatever purpose - possible for viruses is >having an API that allows arbitrary code to access it. But you have to >h

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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:13:28 GMT, Keith Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >A partial solution to spam, or at least to pollution of Usenet >newsgroups, would be to STOP POSTING THIS STUFF TO NEWSGROUPS WHERE >IT'S NOT RELEVANT. Technically yes. But those folk in the appropriate newsgr

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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:32:03 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >That won't prevent phishing, that will just raise the threshhold a >little. The first hurdle you have to get past is that most mail agents >want to show a human name, not some random collection of symbols that >m

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thunderbird is nice that way. You can tell it to render HTML by default, and even images if they're included in the body of the e-mail, but tell it to NOT render anything which requires connections to external servers unless you click a Show Images but

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello? I don't think that should make any difference. I should be able to visit absolutely any website on the Internet without any danger to my computer or the data stored on it. Any browser which allows otherwise has a bug. Javascript is not inherentl

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 3. prevent phishing. When PayPal sends you an email, you want to know > for sure it really is from PayPal. This means corporate users at > least will all have digital ids, and all emails will be digitally > signed. That won't prevent phishing, that will

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:46:12 GMT, Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > or quoted : > >>Viruses can mail out change of address messages to everyone in the >>compromised machine's address book today. >> >>Of course, viruses don't bother doing that - since

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Keith Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are several newsgroups that deal with e-mail abuse. This > discussion isn't being posted to any of them. Please stop. This just adds to the noise, and isn't going to work. Just kill the entire thread. -- John Small Perl scri

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>I would say by extrapolating the problem of spam and snooping that the >next level of email software needs to concentrate on the following: > >1. routine and transparent encryption. OK, but the Feds are really going to hate that. >2. making spam no longer economic. Blocking all spam is, even in

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>> Links >> Javascript >> Forms >> References to other files > >the only piece of that particularly dangerous is JavaScript. So long >as you have a scheme to unmask where links are really going links are >no more dangerous than they are in browser. Browsers don't read unsolici

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > Especially with spam, there are no perfect solutions, but at least we > could do many times better than what we are living with and put the > spammers out of business. A partial solution to spam, or at least to pollution of Usenet newsgroups, would b

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12 Oct 2005 01:43:32 GMT, John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > or quoted : > >>> So let's say I decide to send an email to Donald Knuth. >> >>:-) > > I did write him, snail mail, and he responded giving us permission to > rewrite any of the algorithm

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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:12:46 +1000, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Suppose I wanted to gather industrial espionage about, oh, say Roedy >Green. If my virus could impersonate him, I could tell everyone in sight >that his email has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or wherever).

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:46:12 GMT, Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Viruses can mail out change of address messages to everyone in the >compromised machine's address book today. > >Of course, viruses don't bother doing that - since it's stupid and >pointless. A virus is interested

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:27:26 +0100, Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:04:49 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon > Burditt) wrote or quoted : > >> I think one necessary function of email and USENET is that it should >> allow you to SAFELY communicate with strangers or,

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:07:15 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon Burditt) wrote or quoted : > Links > Javascript > Forms > References to other files the only piece of that particularly dangerous is JavaScript. So long as you have a scheme to unmask where links are really goi

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uOn Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:02:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Hansen) wrote or quoted : >Summary: a buffer overflow problem in Microsoft's JPEG redering >library, used my almost all Windoze email and web clients, would allow >an attacker to execute any arbitrary code he wished on your computer >simpl

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:25:46 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > or quoted : > You don't need 100% spam blocking to effectively solve the spam > problem. You just have to make spam uneconomic. There are good reasons to doubt this. Most notably,

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:25:46 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > or quoted : >>The downside is that I have no idea how many people try to contact me >>out of the blue, or from an address other than the one I sent mail to, >>but don't bother to ans

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:32:07 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > or quoted : >>Formatted spam can include pictures of words. That's a common spam >>tactic - send a multipart/alternative with a text part that look like >>a letter from aunt jane - a

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:06:34 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > or quoted : >>Nah, I've just know people who spend a lot of time - and money - >>dealing with spam, and we've discussed these issues at great >>length. You haven't proposed anything

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>>I think e-mail should be text only. What if, instead of that crap Outlook produces, which is a mishmash of malformed html, Javascript viruses, self-installing enclosures etc. It were replaced by a rich text that were something like a CSS-style HTML, validated, and preparsed, and compacted for

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Roedy Green wrote: Can all of you please take comp.lang.c out of this thread (and all its sub-threads, since it is totaly off topic and NONE of the people on this thread are posting to anything else on comp.lang.c so I doubt any of you are reading it here. -- Flash Gordon Living in interesti

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>However, formatted text is not code. HTML is much more than formatted text. >Pictures are not code. It is >unfair to tar them with the brush of JavaScript or the goofy things >Outlook does with enclosures. If you take all the dangerous stuff out of HTML, like: Links Javascript

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:46:12 +, Tim Tyler wrote: > Viruses can mail out change of address messages to everyone in the > compromised machine's address book today. > > Of course, viruses don't bother doing that - since it's stupid and > pointless. > > If you've compromised someone's machine th

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:32:07 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Formatted spam can include pictures of words. That's a common spam >tactic - send a multipart/alternative with a text part that look like >a letter from aunt jane - and mention that you're sending a >picture. The

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:28:04 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >What makes you think I don't have a copy of Opera? Just so happens >I've got a registred copy on my newest computer. > >> Then try out the feature. Click View | style | user > >My copy of Opera doesn't have that

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:35:58 -0700, Alan Balmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >And they don't know about attachments? Attachments are geeky kludge. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.com Again taking new Java programming contracts. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:19:46 +1000, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Likewise I avoid emails that are broken. If it looks like it will contain >web-bugs, javascript exploits, or badly formatted unreadable text, then I >avoid any mail client that can't display it in plain text

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:04:49 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon Burditt) wrote or quoted : >I think one necessary function of email and USENET is that it should >allow you to SAFELY communicate with strangers or, worse, people >you know but do not trust at all, Yes, but with spam ANY communication

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:04:49 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon Burditt) wrote or quoted : >>Read my essay. >>http://mindprod.com/projects.html/mailreadernewsreader.html >> >>I talk around those problems. >> >>It requires a fresh start. that should read: http://mindprod.com/projects/mailreadernewsr

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:25:46 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Right. Nobody sends email to addresses that come off business cards, >or off a web site, or Nowadays website email addresses are becoming rarer. Instead you fill in a form to initiate your conversation. In

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:25:46 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >The downside is that I have no idea how many people try to contact me >out of the blue, or from an address other than the one I sent mail to, >but don't bother to answer the response. This is why I wanted a pro

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:33:43 +1000, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >> ...is pretty confusing - because "public key" is a term with a technical >> meaning in cryptography - and a public key really *is* public. > >The term you want is "wrong", not "confusing". In encryption t

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On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 16:42:02 +0200, Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >> > http://mindprod.com/projects.html/mailreadernewsreader.html > >It's gone :-) arghh. try http://mindprod.com/projects/mailreadernewsreader.html -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. http://mindprod.c

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:06:34 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Nah, I've just know people who spend a lot of time - and money - >dealing with spam, and we've discussed these issues at great >length. You haven't proposed anything that hasn't been proposed >before, and rejecte

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:42:18 +0200, Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >"I don't understand that attitude. Don't we want email that has dancing > bears, cute little videos, musical tunes, animated waving hands, sixty > fonts, and looks like it's been done with crayolas? Good

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:49:32 +1000, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Oh gosh, pictures of a new house. Why didn't you say so??? If you're >sending pictures named "my_new_house1.jpg" etc then OF COURSE they have >to be imbedded in a HTML email, otherwise how could anyone know

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:44:22 GMT, Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >Obviously you can't trust anything code-like that arrives from >strangers. It is an extension of the law Mommy laid down not to take >candy from strangers. > >However, formatted text is not code. Pictures are not code.

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:58:42 +1000, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Sheesh Roedy, to listen to you go anyone would think that human >communication was impossible before HTML email was invented. People got along fine wearing untanned moosehides too. I don't see any advantag

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In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted: > Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > In comp.lang.java.programmer Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted: > >> Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > Read my essay. > >> > http://mindprod.com/projec

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On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:53:52 +0200, "Dr.Ruud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Don't think that that is true for everybody. For example not for people >that are behind central filters that already cope with common spam. The variants of the Nigerian spam are getting cleverer and cleverer to g

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On 09 Oct 2005 14:06:20 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote or quoted : >That's the worst of all. I certainly don't want my mail reader >opening network connections to arbitrary places when I read my mail. >I have no willingness at all to reveal my mail reading habits or IP >addres

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On 12 Oct 2005 01:43:32 GMT, John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >> So let's say I decide to send an email to Donald Knuth. > >:-) I did write him, snail mail, and he responded giving us permission to rewrite any of the algorithms in his famous set of books in to Java. -- Canadian M

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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:45:03 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : >Jeff Poskanzer, now *he* has a spam problem. He gets a few million >spams a day: http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering/ >. It is a bit like termites. If we don't do something drastic to deal with spam, the ruddy th

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Casper H.S. Dik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Can I remind you that spam is approximately 70% of all email traffic these >>days? Most of that is blocked by the ISPs, but even so you are obviously >>one of the lucky few. > > 95% - 99% of all email, not 7

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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:27:30 +, axel wrote: >> I don't know how much spam other people receive but on one account I >> hardly receive any as I reserve it for friends and business. On another >> I had about 40 spam messages which took all of ten sec

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Paul Rubin wrote: > Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> So let's say I decide to send an email to Donald Knuth. > > Good luck. Prof. Knuth stopped reading email years before there was a > big spam problem. Not entirely true: "My secretary prints out all message

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So let's say I decide to send an email to Donald Knuth. Good luck. Prof. Knuth stopped reading email years before there was a big spam problem. He uses his own version of hashcash to cut down on unimportant mail: if you want to write to him, you have to

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Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So let's say I decide to send an email to Donald Knuth. :-) -- John Small Perl scripts: http://johnbokma.com/perl/ Perl programmer available: http://castleamber.com/ I ploink g

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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:27:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote or quoted : >> This would slow them down with requests for permission to send. they >> could send only one per certificate. The cost and hassle of getting >> the certificate could deter tem, and uniquely identify them for >> blocking and

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:27:30 +, axel wrote: > I don't know how much spam other people receive but on one account I > hardly receive any as I reserve it for friends and business. On another > I had about 40 spam messages which took all of ten seconds to delete. > Hardly a serious matter. Can I

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I don't know how much spam other people receive but on one account I > hardly receive any as I reserve it for friends and business. On another > I had about 40 spam messages which took all of ten seconds to delete. > Hardly a serious matter. You don't have a spam proble

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In comp.lang.perl.misc Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>HTML is a problem on *other* peoples crappy software as well. It >>wasn't designed to carry code content, but has been hacked up to do >>that. > It seems to me it goes without saying that you cannot trust code from > strangers, espec

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:07:42 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or quoted : > >HTML is a problem on *other* peoples crappy software as well. It >wasn't designed to carry code content, but has been hacked up to do >that. It seems to me it goes without saying that you cannot trust code fro

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Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The "user mode" uses style sheets you specify. > > There's a whole bunch of built-in ones - and you can cascade them: Yup, saw those. > ``There is also the inclusion of 12 packaged user style sheets and an easy > menu application interface (View > Style)

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > But there is always an alternative. You can always send me a Word > document, a PDF, an Powerpoint presentation showing the steps one per > page, why the possibilities are endless. Why saddle you with a proprietory format (M$ Office), when StarOffice

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Rich Teer wrote: > On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Roedy Green wrote: > >>Normally you send photos to grandma with captions under each photo. >>That is far more convenient for the technopeasant receiver than >>dealing with multiple attachments. > > And even more convenient is "Hey grandma, check out the late

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:03:05 +0200, Lasse Vågsæther Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In any case, html email is here to stay. Or perhaps I should remove html >and say "richly formatted", whatever that might mean in the future. > >But trying to keep your email world into a pure text-based >no-

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