Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2013-04-12, Mark Janssen wrote:
> > Possibily, but don't accept this view of the legal system.
> > Judges can be quite reasonable. They don't want more time
> > taken for bullshit cases and would much prefer for things to be
> > settled (that is what their duty is -- to s
Mark Janssen wrote:
> >> It doesn't have to say so, if it's not charging any money -- there's no
> >> expectation that you're getting anything at all!
> >
> > Of course there is. If Oprah Winfrey stands up and publicly says that
> > she's giving you a car, FOR FREE, no strings attached, and then gi
On 2013-04-12, Mark Janssen wrote:
> Possibily, but don't accept this view of the legal system.
> Judges can be quite reasonable. They don't want more time
> taken for bullshit cases and would much prefer for things to be
> settled (that is what their duty is -- to settle matters, not
> to make l
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Prasad, Ramit
wrote:
> Mark Janssen wrote:
>> But you see, there's the critical difference. First of all you're
>> making two errors in your comparison. Firstly, a *person* is saying
>> that she's going to *do something for you*. She's making a promise.
>> If I
> Are there that many people in the country who have no clue how the
> legal system works?
Gads. I'm trying to show you how the legal system *doesn't* work.
All your points may be valid under court history, but that history is
tainted. It doesn't mean the system is working, only that cases have
On 09/04/2013 08:21, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
In the case of free (libre) open source
software, such a case would have no merit, becaus
On 2013-04-09, Mark Janssen wrote:
Where do YOU come up with the idea that you can't be sued if money
didn't change hands? In what jurisdiction is that true? Unless it's
true in every jurisdiction that the internet touches, I wouldn't trust
it to protect me.
>>>
>>> I know, the
On 2013-04-09, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> Where do YOU come up with the idea that you can't be sued if money
>> didn't change hands? In what jurisdiction is that true? Unless it's
>> true in every jurisdiction that the internet touches, I wouldn't trust
>> it to protect me.
>
> I know, the legal syste
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:40:24 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, I'm somewhat lost here. The dollar I have here has a mob of
>> animals on one side and someone's face on the other - no pyramids, no
>> all-seeing-eye.
>
> It must be
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 02:29:43 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
> Well, out here in the good ol' USA, there no "duty of care"
That explains a lot.
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On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:40:24 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mark Janssen
> wrote:
>> If you want tin foil hats, though,
>> you'll have to notice what's right in front of your face -- you already
>> have voodoo right on your currency that YOU have accepted. Egyptian
I just put out a new version of im.py on GitHub. You can find it
here:
https://github.com/jhunter-d/im.py/blob/master/im.py
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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mark Janssen
> wrote:
>> If you want tin foil hats, though,
>> you'll have to notice what's right in front of your face -- you
>> already have voodoo right on your currency that YOU have accepted.
>> Egyptian
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mark Janssen
>> wrote:
>>> If you want tin foil hats, though,
>>> you'll have to notice what's right in front of your face -- you
>>> already have voodo
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
> If you want tin foil hats, though,
> you'll have to notice what's right in front of your face -- you
> already have voodoo right on your currency that YOU have accepted.
> Egyptian pyramids on the U.S. dollar? All seeing eye?
I'm sorry, I'm s
> Lots of obvious generalizations out there which are wrong, at least some of
> the time.
You know, Dave funny thing is, right there is one of them.
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> And by putting it online for free download, IN THE ABSENCE OF AN EXPLICIT
> DISCLAIMER, you are implying that it is fit for its purpose, and that you
> have a duty of care to make sure that it does do what you say it does.
No, there is no requirement for a disclaimer. In the US, what is not
exp
On 04/09/2013 05:00 AM, Mark Janssen wrote:
By the way, here's where part of the problem stems, right here. This
notion of that you have to be a lawyer -- as if their some other race or
something.
You wouldn't go to a lawyer for advice on the best way to program. You
wouldn't go to a car mecha
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 01:02:14 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
>>> It doesn't have to say so, if it's not charging any money -- there's
>>> no expectation that you're getting anything at all!
>>
>> Of course there is. If Oprah Winfrey stands up and publicly says that
>> she's giving you a car, FOR FREE,
>>> Where do YOU come up with the idea that you can't be sued if money
>>> didn't change hands? In what jurisdiction is that true? Unless it's
>>> true in every jurisdiction that the internet touches, I wouldn't trust
>>> it to protect me.
>>
>> I know, the legal system has us all under their thumb
>> By the way, here's where part of the problem stems, right here. This
>> notion of that you have to be a lawyer -- as if their some other race or
>> something.
>
> You wouldn't go to a lawyer for advice on the best way to program. You
> wouldn't go to a car mechanic to ask for the best way to se
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 01:15:04 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> I'm not a lawyer, and I suspect you're not either.
>
> By the way, here's where part of the problem stems, right here. This
> notion of that you have to be a lawyer -- as if their some other race or
> something.
You wouldn't go to a law
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 00:39:21 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> Where do YOU come up with the idea that you can't be sued if money
>> didn't change hands? In what jurisdiction is that true? Unless it's
>> true in every jurisdiction that the internet touches, I wouldn't trust
>> it to protect me.
>
> I
> I'm not a lawyer, and I suspect you're not either.
By the way, here's where part of the problem stems, right here. This
notion of that you have to be a lawyer -- as if their some other race
or something. Lawyers are people, that have been trained into a
historical system of conventions. That
>> It doesn't have to say so, if it's not charging any money -- there's no
>> expectation that you're getting anything at all!
>
> Of course there is. If Oprah Winfrey stands up and publicly says that
> she's giving you a car, FOR FREE, no strings attached, and then gives you
> a piece of old bubbl
> Where do YOU come up with the idea that you can't be sued if money
> didn't change hands? In what jurisdiction is that true? Unless it's
> true in every jurisdiction that the internet touches, I wouldn't trust
> it to protect me.
I know, the legal system has us all under their thumbs. If I hand
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 00:20:27 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Chris Angelico
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Mark Janssen
>> wrote:
>>> In the case of free (libre) open source software, such a case would
>>> have no merit, because such software never prom
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Mark Janssen
>> wrote:
>>> In the case of free (libre) open source
>>> software, such a case would have no merit, because such software never
>>> promi
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Mark Janssen
> wrote:
>> In the case of free (libre) open source
>> software, such a case would have no merit, because such software never
>> promises anyone *anything*.
>
> If that is the case, it's because
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
> In the case of free (libre) open source
> software, such a case would have no merit, because such software never
> promises anyone *anything*.
If that is the case, it's because the software license explicitly says
so - which is the reason for
On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 23:20:54 -0700, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> I'm not a lawyer, and I suspect you're not either. If a burglar climbs
>> up my trellis to try to attain a second floor window, and comes
>> crashing to the ground, he may very well successfully sue me for not
>> having a warning sign.
>
On 04/09/2013 02:20 AM, Mark Janssen wrote:
I'm not a lawyer, and I suspect you're not either. If a burglar climbs up
my trellis to try to attain a second floor window, and comes crashing to the
ground, he may very well successfully sue me for not having a warning sign.
No, I understand these
We're /definitely/ on topic for this list.
Just saying.
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> I'm not a lawyer, and I suspect you're not either. If a burglar climbs up
>> my trellis to try to attain a second floor window, and comes crashing to the
>> ground, he may very well s
> I'm not a lawyer, and I suspect you're not either. If a burglar climbs up
> my trellis to try to attain a second floor window, and comes crashing to the
> ground, he may very well successfully sue me for not having a warning sign.
No, I understand these cases are common lore, but it's this bull
On 04/08/2013 11:37 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
On 04/08/2013 07:16 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:47:11 -0700, jhunter.dunefsky wrote:
Actually, my current licence can be
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 04/08/2013 07:16 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:47:11 -0700, jhunter.dunefsky wrote:
>>>
Actually, my current licence can be found here:
https:/
On 04/08/2013 07:16 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:47:11 -0700, jhunter.dunefsky wrote:
Actually, my current licence can be found here:
https://github.com/jhunter-d/im.py/blob/master/LICENCE. Whaddaya think
about this, Us
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:47:11 -0700, jhunter.dunefsky wrote:
>
>> Actually, my current licence can be found here:
>> https://github.com/jhunter-d/im.py/blob/master/LICENCE. Whaddaya think
>> about this, Useneters?
>
>
> I think you're lookin
On Apr 7, 6:36 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:47:11 -0700, jhunter.dunefsky wrote:
> > Actually, my current licence can be found here:
> >https://github.com/jhunter-d/im.py/blob/master/LICENCE. Whaddaya think
> > about this, Useneters?
>
> I think you're looking for a world o
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:47:11 -0700, jhunter.dunefsky wrote:
>
>> Actually, my current licence can be found here:
>> https://github.com/jhunter-d/im.py/blob/master/LICENCE. Whaddaya think
>> about this, Useneters?
>
>
> I think you're lookin
On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:47:11 -0700, jhunter.dunefsky wrote:
> Actually, my current licence can be found here:
> https://github.com/jhunter-d/im.py/blob/master/LICENCE. Whaddaya think
> about this, Useneters?
I think you're looking for a world of pain, when somebody uses your
software, it break
On Sunday, April 7, 2013 4:59:10 AM UTC-4,
garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote:
> Andrew Berg wrote:
>
> > On 2013.04.05 20:07, Roy Smith wrote:
>
> >> I know this is off-topic, but I encourage people to NOT invent their own
>
> >> licenses.
>
> > Perhaps he meant this existing lice
Andrew Berg wrote:
> On 2013.04.05 20:07, Roy Smith wrote:
>> I know this is off-topic, but I encourage people to NOT invent their own
>> licenses.
> Perhaps he meant this existing license: http://www.wtfpl.net/about/
I like the Python Powered Logo license by Just van Rossum (Guido's
brother, in
On Apr 5, 8:52 pm, Demian Brecht wrote:
> Thanks for sharing some of your work with the community. However...
>
> Speaking to the sharing aspect: Why would you post a block of code in an
> email? If you're looking for people to contribute, it would likely be a
> much better idea to post it on gith
On Apr 5, 9:26 pm, Andrew Berg wrote:
> On 2013.04.05 20:07, Roy Smith wrote:> I know this is off-topic, but I
> encourage people to NOT invent their own
> > licenses.
>
> Perhaps he meant this existing license:http://www.wtfpl.net/about/
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On 2013.04.05 20:07, Roy Smith wrote:
> I know this is off-topic, but I encourage people to NOT invent their own
> licenses.
Perhaps he meant this existing license: http://www.wtfpl.net/about/
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On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article
> ,
> Jake D wrote:
>
>> What is the licence?
>> --It's released under a special FOSS licence. Here it is:
>> You can do whatever you want with this program.
>
> I know this is off-topic, but I encourage people to NOT invent thei
In article
,
Jake D wrote:
> What is the licence?
> --It's released under a special FOSS licence. Here it is:
> You can do whatever you want with this program.
I know this is off-topic, but I encourage people to NOT invent their own
licenses. Take your pick of any of the well-known (Ber
Thanks for sharing some of your work with the community. However...
Speaking to the sharing aspect: Why would you post a block of code in an
email? If you're looking for people to contribute, it would likely be a
much better idea to post it on github (which was built for collaborative
work).
As f
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