<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since then, feedback from students in industry is that it is being used
> more and more, day in and day out by top world class shops (games,
> effects, etc). BUT It's still Java, C++, PHP, SQL that have the
> marketing demands...
Absolutely. But note that SQL (like J
Alex Martelli wrote:
> Magnus Lycka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
> > stuff in the world, so my standard extrapolation technique would yield
> > 3 python programmers globally.
>
> I think this estimate is low, based on three piece of data I know (but,
> sorry, are all confidential;-) and
Blair P. Houghton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I happen to know that Google does most of its admin scripting in
> Python. It can't be a small job, running a few hundred thousand
> servers worldwide and keeping them all up to date for system and
> security.
It's not a small job (as uber-tech-lead
Magnus Lycka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> stuff in the world, so my standard extrapolation technique would yield
> 3 python programmers globally.
I think this estimate is low, based on three piece of data I know (but,
sorry, are all confidential;-) and thus one I can infer:
-- I know ho
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:20:11 +1000, Steven D'Aprano
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The
>dictionary definition of countless is "too many to count" (Pocket Oxford),
>which I suppose could be 11 for some people if they didn't take their
>shoes and socks off. Mathematically, any finite integer is able to
I'll attest that we have a shortage of Python developers in the Dallas
area; in the DFW Python user group (dfwpython.org) we occasionally
encounter local employers who have trouble finding local Python
developers who can take on new work. Most of the group members are
already employed, so the stand
"Hendrik van Rooyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[...]
> Oh dont be so pedantic - countless - without count - probably
> just means that nobody has bothered to count them...
Without being particularly pedantic: no, it doesn't. It means "too
many to count". Though I woul
Stuart Bishop wrote:
> My personal experience is that there is a shortage of good Python
> programmers. In Melbourne, Australia for example there is a continual need
> for about 2 more - one Python shop there just hires clueful developers and
> makes their first task 'learn Python'. We generally ha
"Steven D'Aprano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:00:55 +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
>
> > This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
> > people who make a living programming Python. It's been the vast
> > majority of the programming (for money) I
walterbyrd wrote:
> My research of this subject was very limited, just looked at the major
> job boards, and compared demand for python developers to demand for
> other languages, such as java, c++, visual basic, or php. An
> unscientific test, I realize. But, it's not easy to get good data on
> s
"Dan Bishop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It's so frustrating seeing all those job postings that require a
> "mimimum 10 years experience".
I think it shows a huge gulf of communication between the person
writing the job requirements and the person who actually asked for the
position to be fille
Dan Bishop wrote:
>
> Are you hiring? :-)
No, just complaining. ;-)
> It's so frustrating seeing all those job postings that require a
> "mimimum 10 years experience".
I've seen adverts with phrasing that could have been interpreted as
having meant "minimum 10 years .NET experience", and that wa
Yes.
John
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Paul Boddie wrote:
> George Sakkis wrote:
>
> [Oslo, Norway short of 300-500 Java developers]
>
> > Um, how many of these "lots of Java developers looking for work" live
> > in, or are willing to relocate to, Oslo?
>
> Well, I really meant to say that the "lots of Java developers" I've
> seen actua
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
>
As I've seen on the monster there are openings for Python developers.
It is 30x less than Java, but there are less Python developers, so...
I don't know is it easier to find the job as Python or as Java developer.
On Sep 27, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:28 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:Countless and uncountable are not the same thing. The former simply means you haven't bothered to count them yet, which as a basis for number theory, sounds like it belongs in a Douglas Adams bo
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
Because Java has Sun's crazy-money behind it, and that pisses Microsoft
off, so C# has MS's crazy-money behind it. And long before that, C was
/the/ language because it was the only one that would allow you to
actually
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:28 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:00:55 +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
>>
>> > This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
>> > people who ma
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:00:55 +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
>
> > This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
> > people who make a living programming Python. It's been the vast
> > majority of
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:00:55 +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
> This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
> people who make a living programming Python. It's been the vast
> majority of the programming (for money) I've done in the last ten
> years, and there's countless ot
walterbyrd,
Answer: Yes. Definitely. And, to be correct, there are some who earn a
rather comfortable living programming in Python.
> If so, I doubt there are many.
depending on your definition of "many". if "many" is something around
"1% of population of earth", you are right.
If "many" is "mo
Mike C. Fletcher wrote:
> Job security and easy availability is not the be-all and end-all of
> happiness in life. That said, if you know anyone who "just wants a
> job", please, push them at Java, someone has to spend the next 30
> years maintaining the Struts and J*EE sites peop
I do... but then I'm a grad student so I'm not sure what extent you
would call it "a living"
I know that Python is used __extensively__ in academia for running
experiments where speed is not important.
-Jeff
Magnus Lycka wrote:
> walterbyrd wrote:
>> If so, I doubt there are many
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walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
Depends on what you compare with. I'm pretty sure there are thousands
of people working as Python programmers, and many more using it as a
smaller tool in their work. Of course this is small compared to Java
or C++.
In the US, it seems a lot of
On 26 Sep 2006 13:43:24 -0700, Fuzzyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Simon Brunning is a Pythonista in his spare time but uses
> Java at work. He has got Jython fairly deeply embedded though.
Sure do. We also use Python for a lot of internal tools, the most
complex probably being a fairly extensiv
> From: "OKB (not okblacke)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:04:02 GMT
>
>> - at yahoo, we developed yahoo!mail in python (and some C++)
>> - at synarc, i wrote software for doctors in python (and some C)
>> - at ironport, most everything is in python (and some C, PyRex)
>
> T
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
OKB (not okblacke) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is interesting to me in that all these jobs also involve C.
>I'm not the original poster, but I'd be interested to hear about people
>who make a living programming Python WITHOUT knowing C.
In more th
wesley chun wrote:
> since 1997, i've been pretty much working full-time in Python:
> - at yahoo, we developed yahoo!mail in python (and some C++)
> - at synarc, i wrote software for doctors in python (and some C)
> - at ironport, most everything is in python (and some C, PyRex). we
> have a milli
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
I currently earn my living "programming in Python".
This is particularly amusing given that it's a Java shop and I don't
even know Python!
I've only been using it for a few months as a replacement for the
previous shell scripts and instead of
Mike C. Fletcher wrote:
> walterbyrd wrote:
> > If so, I doubt there are many.
> >
> > I wonder why that is?
> >
> I've now used Python in every job I've had for the last 10 years.
> Started off with web-sites for a few months, then writing
> VRML-processing libraries to piece together and massage
since 1997, i've been pretty much working full-time in Python:
- at yahoo, we developed yahoo!mail in python (and some C++)
- at synarc, i wrote software for doctors in python (and some C)
- at ironport, most everything is in python (and some C, PyRex). we
have a million lines in python (http://www
Max M wrote:
> walterbyrd skrev:
> > If so, I doubt there are many.
> >
> > I wonder why that is?
>
> Because you are ignorant?
In this particular subject: yes.
My research of this subject was very limited, just looked at the major
job boards, and compared demand for python developers to demand f
2006/9/26, Sybren Stuvel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Aahz enlightened us with:
> > Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's
> >>obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians,
> >>British hard rock bands, or mel
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's
>obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians, British
>hard rock bands, or melodic death metal acts.
Any other votes for this being Q
Paul Boddie wrote:
> One example I read recently [1] described how the marketplace
> in Oslo, Norway is currently short of 300-500 Java developers, but if
> you look beneath the surface, knowing that there are lots of Java
> developers out there looking for work, a gulf between the story and the
>
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>
> well, I think I prefer the "are you sure you exist?" trolls over the "python
> sucks
> and you are all a bunch of clueless something something" and "this thing is
> broken
> beyond repair and you are all a bunch of clueless something something" trolls.
I can see where th
I said:
> > Previously I used Python while earning a living working in IT at a
> > college. Currently it is putting food on the table via contract jobs.
> > I imagine there are "many" out there like me, doing just that.
faulkner wrote:
> where do you find these "contract jobs", if you don't mind
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
>
I've now used Python in every job I've had for the last 10 years.
Started off with web-sites for a few months, then writing
VRML-processing libraries to piece together and massage virtual worlds
(not a *lot* of j
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
I program full-time in Python writing systems to automate the
processing of health care claims. Lots of database usage, lots of
objects, lots of fun to write it in python (I used to code C/C++ and
Perl).
> I wonder why that is?
Me, too. Are you
Anthony Baxter wrote:
> This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
> people who make a living programming Python. It's been the vast
> majority of the programming (for money) I've done in the last ten
> years, and there's countless other people I know here in Melbourne
This seems to be a very, very silly original post. I know of plenty of
people who make a living programming Python. It's been the vast
majority of the programming (for money) I've done in the last ten
years, and there's countless other people I know here in Melbourne in
the same position.
--
http:
walterbyrd enlightened us with:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
www.uwklantprofiel.nl and www.uwpensioenanalyse.nl, both systems are
written in Python, although the website of the former is still in PHP.
It'll be Python soon, too. I've created both systems.
Sybren
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> someone just posted this
>
> > Site Perl Python
> > Hotjobs 2756 655
> > Monster >1000 317
> > Dice 4828 803
>
>From what I have seen, most of listings are not for python developers.
Rather they list python as a "nice t
AOL^H^H^H, me too.
And it's paid better than C++ programming.
HTH,
Gerald
Gabriel Genellina schrieb:
> At Monday 25/9/2006 20:09, walterbyrd wrote:
>
> I do.
>
>> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
>
> That's why they get well paid :)
> (uhm, not really... :( )
>
>
>
> Gabriel Genellina
> So
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
We're at least two here...
> I wonder why that is?
>
I wonder why you have such an a priori ?
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George Sakkis wrote:
>
[Oslo, Norway short of 300-500 Java developers]
> Um, how many of these "lots of Java developers looking for work" live
> in, or are willing to relocate to, Oslo?
Well, I really meant to say that the "lots of Java developers" I've
seen actually are in Oslo. Certainly, ever
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
My share of the waterfall :o)
I do earn my (preposterously nice *wink*) salary from doing *all* major
efforts, at the company I work for, in Python.
Not only that, since I started out here some 5 years ago, nearly all
software development of
At Monday 25/9/2006 20:09, walterbyrd wrote:
I do.
If so, I doubt there are many.
That's why they get well paid :)
(uhm, not really... :( )
Gabriel Genellina
Softlab SRL
__
Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí.
Aahz enlightened us with:
> Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's
>>obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians,
>>British hard rock bands, or melodic death metal acts.
>
> Any other votes for this being
> well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's
> obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians, British
> hard rock bands, or melodic death metal acts.
These days its even hard to get the idea that there is a demand of boy
bands, rnb, euro trash or any oth
walterbyrd wrote:
> I'm surprised. It seems I never see listings for python developers.
someone just posted this
> Site Perl Python
> Hotjobs 2756 655
> Monster >1000 317
> Dice 4828 803
to the "talking to marketing people" thread (see th
walterbyrd wrote:
> does anybody earn a living programming in python?
of course.
> If so, I doubt there are many.
don't be silly.
> I wonder why that is?
what what is ?
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
walterbyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>If so, I doubt there are many.
>I wonder why that is?
Once upon a time, I was a Perl programmer. Then my job forced me to
learn Python. Once I got hooked, I never looked back. I've had two
different jobs as a full-time Py
walter> It just doesn't seem like there is much demand for professional
walter> python developers.
Keep an eye on this page:
http://www.python.org/community/jobs/
and if you're so inclined, subscribe to the RSS feed of that page. I think
Peter Kropf is processing 3-5 new postings p
walter> If so, I doubt there are many.
You're kidding, right?
Skip
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walterbyrd wrote:
> >
> > Well I do. So do the other dozen or so developers at my company. We're
> > looking
> > to hire a few more, in fact.
> >
>
> I'm surprised. It seems I never see listings for python developers.
>
> I didn't mean any disrespect. I think python is a great language. It
> just
>
> Well I do. So do the other dozen or so developers at my company. We're looking
> to hire a few more, in fact.
>
I'm surprised. It seems I never see listings for python developers.
I didn't mean any disrespect. I think python is a great language. It
just doesn't seem like there is much demand
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
Software Development Magazine (maybe? been a while since I read the
article) interviews lots of programmers yearly, asking - among other
things - what programming languages they use. The article mentioned that
Python's
where do you find these "contract jobs", if you don't mind my asking?
Christian wrote:
> walterbyrd wrote:
> > If so, I doubt there are many.
> >
> > I wonder why that is?
>
> Previously I used Python while earning a living working in IT at a
> college. Currently it is putting food on the table v
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
Previously I used Python while earning a living working in IT at a
college. Currently it is putting food on the table via contract jobs.
I imagine there are "many" out there like me, doing just that.
Christian
http://ww
both my last summer jobs consisted entirely of python, and the jobs i'm
looking at for next summer all involve python. and one of my profs
makes a living teaching python. and the office i worked for 2 summers
ago was 5 old guys who did nothing but python and stock trade analysis
all day.
if i'm luc
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
I earn a living programming with IronPython - at
http://www.resolversystems.com
A very cool place to work. :-)
Fuzzyman
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walterbyrd skrev:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
Because you are ignorant?
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For the last 5 years most of my jobs have been Python based. At two
of those places Python has been the main but not only language used.
Neil
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2006/9/25, Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> walterbyrd wrote:
> > If so, I doubt there are many.
> >
> > I wonder why that is?
>
> Well I do. So do the other dozen or so developers at my company. We're looking
> to hire a few more, in fact.
And there are also those ReportLab guys:
www.reportlab
walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
Well I do. So do the other dozen or so developers at my company. We're looking
to hire a few more, in fact.
http://www.enthought.com/careers.htm
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"walterbyrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
> I wonder why that is?
Python programmers get their code working so fast that management has
to find other things for them to do to fill their time. So they're
not really making a living programming in Python.
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walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
>
If you know German, there was just a job posting on this list for a
python programmer. That would be at least one person.
James
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walterbyrd wrote:
> If so, I doubt there are many.
>
> I wonder why that is?
Well, I'm not qualified to analyse the reasons for your doubts, but I'd
guess it's because you have preconceived notions.
Tim Delaney
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If so, I doubt there are many.
I wonder why that is?
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