Re: the python name

2019-01-18 Thread Gregory Ewing
DL Neil wrote: (not that New Zealanders need to know much about snakes!) Probably recommended when we visit Australia, though. Also we seem to have imported some of their spiders in recent years, so it's only a matter of time before their snakes follow. I wonder if we could get Australia to

Re: the python name

2019-01-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 8:33 AM DL Neil wrote: > > On 18/01/19 8:20 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:12:33 +1300, Gregory Ewing > > declaimed the following: > > > >> Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > >>> Getting too close to REXX (which was something like Restructured > >>>

Re: the python name

2019-01-17 Thread DL Neil
On 18/01/19 8:20 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:12:33 +1300, Gregory Ewing declaimed the following: Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: Getting too close to REXX (which was something like Restructured EXtended eXecutor). And if we continue the theme of dinosaur evolution,

Re: the python name

2019-01-17 Thread DL Neil
On 17/01/19 6:10 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote: Avi Gross wrote: The question that seems to come up too often about the python name is a distraction. In particular, it is answered fairly prominently in many places as just being a nonsensical name because a founder once liked a comedic entity

RE: the python name

2019-01-16 Thread Avi Gross
Greg, Boy am I getting sorry I brought this topic up again. Getting hard to take seriously. I am not making fun of the python name. I am making fun of the people that want a GOOD REASON for choosing a name. People generally don't care what silly name you choose for a dog and certainly tolerate

Re: the python name

2019-01-16 Thread Gregory Ewing
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: Getting too close to REXX (which was something like Restructured EXtended eXecutor). And if we continue the theme of dinosaur evolution, we end up with Tyrannosaurus REXX. -- Greg -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: the python name

2019-01-16 Thread Gregory Ewing
Avi Gross wrote: The question that seems to come up too often about the python name is a distraction. In particular, it is answered fairly prominently in many places as just being a nonsensical name because a founder once liked a comedic entity that chose an oddball name, so they did too

Re: the python name

2019-01-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 8:37 AM Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:46:29 -0500, "Avi Gross" > declaimed the following: > > >Imagine people developing languages like X and Y and over the years > >enhancing them. > > > >An Enhanced or Extended X, naturally, might be renamed EX. >

RE: the python name

2019-01-16 Thread Avi Gross
[HUMOR for the ALERT] The question that seems to come up too often about the python name is a distraction. In particular, it is answered fairly prominently in many places as just being a nonsensical name because a founder once liked a comedic entity that chose an oddball name, so they did too

Re: the python name

2019-01-10 Thread DL Neil
Chris, On 11/01/19 10:06 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 8:01 AM DL Neil wrote: PS the smart reply: who do you think coded the Alt-Tab window-switching mechanism? or, whose shoulders' do you young, whipper-snappers think you're standing on? (and, "please get down, and go and

Re: the python name

2019-01-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 8:01 AM DL Neil wrote: > PS the smart reply: who do you think coded the Alt-Tab window-switching > mechanism? > or, whose shoulders' do you young, whipper-snappers think you're > standing on? (and, "please get down, and go and wash your feet") Hold on hold on.

Re: the python name

2019-01-10 Thread DL Neil
On 11/01/19 8:57 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 6:48 AM DL Neil wrote: Working with a bunch of younger folk (who may technically be of the age of 'grand-children' - pardon me, I almost fell over my (long, grey) beard), I am frequently the butt of their gentle, if ageist,

Re: the python name

2019-01-10 Thread DL Neil
On 8/01/19 12:04 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 10:10:13 +1300, DL Neil declaimed the following: Why is that obscure? It makes perfect sense - to those of us who have used tape/serial storage! Perhaps less-so to [bobble-heads], sorry I mean people who grew-up with 'bubble

Re: the python name

2019-01-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 6:48 AM DL Neil wrote: > Working with a bunch of younger folk (who may technically be of the age > of 'grand-children' - pardon me, I almost fell over my (long, grey) > beard), I am frequently the butt of their gentle, if ageist, jokes. > However, my sardonic amusement is

Re: the python name

2019-01-10 Thread DL Neil
On 8/01/19 4:59 PM, rbowman wrote:> On 01/07/2019 02:10 PM, DL Neil wrote: >> Why is that obscure? It makes perfect sense - to those of us who have >> used tape/serial storage! Perhaps less-so to [bobble-heads], sorry I >> mean people who grew-up with 'bubble memory' (Memory sticks, 'flash >>

Re: the python name

2019-01-07 Thread rbowman
On 01/07/2019 02:10 PM, DL Neil wrote: Why is that obscure? It makes perfect sense - to those of us who have used tape/serial storage! Perhaps less-so to [bobble-heads], sorry I mean people who grew-up with 'bubble memory' (Memory sticks, 'flash drives', SSDs). In point-of-fact, Python Context

Re: the python name

2019-01-07 Thread MRAB
On 2019-01-07 23:04, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 10:10:13 +1300, DL Neil declaimed the following: Why is that obscure? It makes perfect sense - to those of us who have used tape/serial storage! Perhaps less-so to [bobble-heads], sorry I mean people who grew-up with 'bubble

Re: the python name

2019-01-07 Thread DL Neil
On 7/01/19 3:25 PM, rbowman wrote: On 01/04/2019 10:45 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote: FORTRAN is older than most of us. So it influenced what we think a computer language should sound like. Sadly, not for all of us...  FORTRAN seeded later languages with terms that are obscure, like rewind().  A

Re: the python name

2019-01-07 Thread DL Neil
On 7/01/19 2:52 PM, rbowman wrote: On 01/04/2019 09:34 AM, Avi Gross wrote: Although I used FORTRAN ages ago and it still seems to be in active use, I am not clear on why the name FORMULA TRANSLATOR was chosen. I do agree it does sound more like a computer language based on both the sound and

Re: the python name

2019-01-07 Thread DL Neil
On 7/01/19 9:09 AM, Avi Gross wrote: [Can we ever change the subject line?] {REAL SUBJECT: degrees of compilation.} Peter wrote: "... Hoever, this is the Python list and one of the advantages of Python is that we don't have to compile our code. So we need a different excuse for fencing on

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/04/2019 10:45 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote: FORTRAN is older than most of us. So it influenced what we think a computer language should sound like. Sadly, not for all of us... FORTRAN seeded later languages with terms that are obscure, like rewind(). A blazing powerhouse like the IBM

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/03/2019 05:31 PM, Avi Gross wrote: Why did I mention Anaconda? Because python is also the name of a snake and some people considered it appropriate to name their pet project that includes python, as the name of another snake: Probably not politically correct to mention but Colt had seven

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/03/2019 09:53 PM, DL Neil wrote: Thus the OP's original assumption/confusion between a programming language and a serpent; Java and a large island; right down to C, R, etc which are too short to be usable search terms in most engines. C# wins the prize for not getting what you expect in

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/04/2019 11:17 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: One would turn in a deck of cards to be spooled in the job queue, and come back some hours later to get the printout from the job. Or, in most cases, obscure compiler errors because you forget the continuation punch in column 6. Back to the

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/04/2019 09:34 AM, Avi Gross wrote: Although I used FORTRAN ages ago and it still seems to be in active use, I am not clear on why the name FORMULA TRANSLATOR was chosen. I do agree it does sound more like a computer language based on both the sound and feel of FORTRAN as well as the

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/04/2019 09:06 AM, William Ray Wing wrote: On 3/01/19 2:03 PM, Avi Gross wrote: Challenge: Can we name any computer language whose name really would suggest it was a computer language? I think the name is the least important aspect of a computer language. I’d like to propose that

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/03/2019 10:08 PM, Stefan Ram wrote: DL Neil writes: Thus the OP's original assumption/confusion between a programming language and a serpent; Java and a large island; right down to C, R, etc which are too short to be usable search terms in most engines. And still, you enter "Ant"

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/03/2019 01:28 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2019-01-03, Gene Heskett wrote: Do I miss-remember that there was an anaconda language at sometime in the past? Not long after python made its debute? I've not see it mentioned in a decade so maybe its died? About 20 years ago, the RedHat

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/03/2019 12:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Do I miss-remember that there was an anaconda language at sometime in the past? Not long after python made its debute? I've not see it mentioned in a decade so maybe its died? Very alive and well... https://www.anaconda.com/what-is-anaconda/ It's

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/03/2019 09:53 AM, Avi Gross wrote: Bad analogy, but snakes do tend to shed their skin periodically as they grow. 3.x certainly was a snake shedding its skin. ESRI moved to 3 for the cloud oriented products but their non-cloud products are still 2.7 and that's the world I live in.

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/03/2019 07:59 AM, Jack Dangler wrote: Odd that COBOL (Common Business Oriented Language) and DIBOL (Digital Business Oriented Language) follow the paradigm, but SNOBOL went with "symBOlic"... I vaguely remember it as being sort of an inside joke vis a vis COBOL. --

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/02/2019 06:03 PM, Avi Gross wrote: A Programming Language? APL. A company I worked for bought an IBM 5120, not to be confused with the later 51xx PC's. It shipped with BASIC and APL in the ROM, had a toggle switch to select between the two, and the weird characters on the keyboard.

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/02/2019 12:41 PM, Schachner, Joseph wrote: The name "Python" may not make sense, but what sense does the name Java make, or even C (unless you know that it was the successor to B), or Haskell or Pascal or even BASIC? Or Caml or Kotlin or Scratch? Or Oberon or R? Or Smalltalk, or

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread rbowman
On 01/02/2019 11:06 PM, songbird wrote: i can only claim to have written one program in SNOBOL and that was over 30yrs ago... My sympathies... -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

RE: Compilation (was: the python name)

2019-01-06 Thread Avi Gross
Subject: Compilation (was: the python name) On 2019-01-06 15:09:40 -0500, Avi Gross wrote: > [Can we ever change the subject line?] Feel free. > {REAL SUBJECT: degrees of compilation.} Peter wrote: > > "... Hoever, this is the Python list and one of the advantages of > Pyt

Compilation (was: the python name)

2019-01-06 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2019-01-06 15:09:40 -0500, Avi Gross wrote: > [Can we ever change the subject line?] Feel free. > {REAL SUBJECT: degrees of compilation.} > Peter wrote: > > "... Hoever, this is the Python list and one of the advantages of > Python is that we don't have to compile our code. So we need a >

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-01-06, Peter J. Holzer wrote: > On 2019-01-06 13:43:02 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: >> On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 13:26:15 +0100, "Peter J. Holzer" >> declaimed the following: >> >> >For example, about 10 years ago I built a continuous integration >> >pipeline for a project I was working on

RE: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread Avi Gross
[Can we ever change the subject line?] {REAL SUBJECT: degrees of compilation.} Peter wrote: "... Hoever, this is the Python list and one of the advantages of Python is that we don't have to compile our code. So we need a different excuse for fencing on office chairs ;-). ..." I understand what

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2019-01-06 13:43:02 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 13:26:15 +0100, "Peter J. Holzer" > declaimed the following: > > >For example, about 10 years ago I built a continuous integration > >pipeline for a project I was working on [...] > >The result was that any change took

Python packaging (was: the python name)

2019-01-06 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2019-01-06 13:26:15 +0100, Peter J. Holzer wrote: > I haven't packaged anything yet. I have looked at the documentation > several times and I agree that it looks somewhat daunting (I am not > unfamiliar with packaging systems: I have built rpm and deb packages, > and used both the Makefile.PL

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2019-01-04 22:59:40 -0500, Avi Gross wrote: > I don't go back to the beginning of FORTRAN. My comment was not that FORTRAN > was badly named when it was among the first to do such things. I am saying > that in retrospect, almost any language can do a basic subset of arithmetic > operations. So

Re: the python name

2019-01-06 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2019-01-04 12:56:56 -0500, songbird wrote: > Peter J. Holzer wrote: > > Almost all of these points don't seem to be related to the language, but > > to your environment. > > an application isn't useful unless it actually can > be deployed and used in an environment. True. But environments

RE: the python name

2019-01-05 Thread Avi Gross
SION. -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Chris Angelico Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 5:43 PM To: Python Subject: Re: the python name On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:34 AM Avi Gross wrote: > I recall an example from a version of mathematical LISP that I will > rewrite

Re: the python name

2019-01-05 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:34 AM Avi Gross wrote: > I recall an example from a version of mathematical LISP that I will rewrite > in python for illustration: > > def is_greater(left, right): > if left <= 0 : return False > if right <= 0 : return True > return is_greater(left - 1, right

RE: the python name

2019-01-05 Thread Avi Gross
n when viewed as loops or exception handling. Heck, we now often hide loops. -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Dennis Lee Bieber Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 1:46 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: the python name On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 22:59:40 -0500, "Avi Gross&

Re: the python name

2019-01-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 20:27:44 Michael Torrie wrote: > On 01/03/2019 06:35 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 03 January 2019 15:28:49 Grant Edwards wrote: > >> About 20 years ago, the RedHat Linux (way before RHEL) installer > >> (which was written in Python) was called Anaconda. > > >

Re: the python name

2019-01-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-01-05, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 01/03/2019 06:35 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Thursday 03 January 2019 15:28:49 Grant Edwards wrote: >>> About 20 years ago, the RedHat Linux (way before RHEL) installer >>> (which was written in Python) was called Anaconda. > >> Thanks for rescuing my

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
st > On Behalf Of Avi > Gross > Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 6:55 PM > To: python-list@python.org > Subject: RE: the python name > > Gene, > > It is simple in Python: > > if "IV" in "FIVE": > print("Roman 4 is 5!") > > print

RE: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Avi Gross
: Python-list On Behalf Of Dennis Lee Bieber Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 1:17 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: the python name On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:34:24 -0500, "Avi Gross" declaimed the following: > >Although I used FORTRAN ages ago and it still seems to be in

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Michael Torrie
On 01/03/2019 06:35 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 03 January 2019 15:28:49 Grant Edwards wrote: >> About 20 years ago, the RedHat Linux (way before RHEL) installer >> (which was written in Python) was called Anaconda. > Thanks for rescuing my old wet ram Grant, thats exactly what I was >

RE: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Avi Gross
Oops. They autocorrected the word piethon below so it makes no sense. I meant a pie-eating-marathon or whatever. -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Avi Gross Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 6:55 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: RE: the python name Gene, It is simple

RE: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Avi Gross
n, we might be having marathon sessions evaluating digits of pi or eating dessert. Time to stop posting before ... -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Gene Heskett Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 4:20 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: the python name On Friday 04 January

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 16:37:49 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 8:31 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:22:03 Ian Kelly wrote: > > > And then there was WATFIV, which stands for WATerloo Fortran IV. > > > Because 5 == IV. > > > > Not what I was taught 75

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread songbird
Rick Johnson wrote: ... > You're singing a sad tune songbird, but i feel your pain... like all things, this too shall pass... :) songbird -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 8:31 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:22:03 Ian Kelly wrote: > > And then there was WATFIV, which stands for WATerloo Fortran IV. > > Because 5 == IV. > > Not what I was taught 75 years ago. Thats a brand new definition of fuzzy > logic. :( Maybe

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:22:03 Ian Kelly wrote: > On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:59 AM Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 01:12:42 -0500, "Avi Gross" > > > > > > declaimed the following: > > >language, Formula Translator? (I recall using the What For > > > version). > > > >

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread songbird
Peter J. Holzer wrote: > songbird wrote: hi, thank you for your reply. ... > Almost all of these points don't seem to be related to the language, but > to your environment. an application isn't useful unless it actually can be deployed and used in an environment. the easier it is for

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread William Ray Wing via Python-list
> On Jan 4, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Avi Gross wrote: > > [BYTE] > As I joked in an earlier message, I remember using a version of FORTRAN > called WATFOR. Yes, there was a WATFIV. > > Yah - WATFOR was Waterloo FORTRAN, an interpreted FORTRAN that was used a lot in intro classes. No matter

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:59 AM Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 01:12:42 -0500, "Avi Gross" > declaimed the following: > > > >language, Formula Translator? (I recall using the What For version). > > WATFOR => WATerloo FORtran And then there was WATFIV, which stands for

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2019-01-04 11:34:24 -0500, Avi Gross wrote: > Although I used FORTRAN ages ago and it still seems to be in active > use, I am not clear on why the name FORMULA TRANSLATOR was chosen. Keep in mind that FORTRAN was one of the very first languages which didn't have a 1:1 mapping to machine code.

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 January 2019 15:28:49 Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2019-01-03, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Do I miss-remember that there was an anaconda language at sometime > > in the past? Not long after python made its debute? I've not see it > > mentioned in a decade so maybe its died? > > About 20

RE: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Avi Gross
ython-list Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 11:06 AM To: Python Cc: William R. Wing Subject: Re: the python name On 3/01/19 2:03 PM, Avi Gross wrote: > Challenge: Can we name any computer language whose name really would suggest > it was a computer language? > I think the name is the lea

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread William Ray Wing via Python-list
On 3/01/19 2:03 PM, Avi Gross wrote: > Challenge: Can we name any computer language whose name really would suggest > it was a computer language? > I think the name is the least important aspect of a computer language. I’d like to propose that classic FORTRAN (FORmulaTRANslator) came/comes

Re: the python name

2019-01-04 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2019-01-04 02:04:14 -0500, songbird wrote: > Rick Johnson wrote: > > songbird wrote: > > > ... > >> if you want to know the perspective of a new person > >> to the language and to help out make it better i have > >> a few suggestions for where to spend your time in a > >> way that will help

Re: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread songbird
Rick Johnson wrote: > songbird wrote: > ... >> if you want to know the perspective of a new person >> to the language and to help out make it better i have >> a few suggestions for where to spend your time in a >> way that will help out people a great deal. > > I'm listening... i only get so

RE: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread Avi Gross
On Behalf Of DL Neil Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 11:54 PM To: 'Python' Subject: Re: the python name On 3/01/19 2:03 PM, Avi Gross wrote: > Challenge: Can we name any computer language whose name really would suggest it was a computer language? > > I think the name is the least

Re: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread DL Neil
On 3/01/19 2:03 PM, Avi Gross wrote: Challenge: Can we name any computer language whose name really would suggest it was a computer language? I think the name is the least important aspect of a computer language. Perhaps not. If you subscribe to the wider StackOverflow Driven Design

RE: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread Avi Gross
f Of Grant Edwards Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 3:29 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: the python name On 2019-01-03, Gene Heskett wrote: > Do I miss-remember that there was an anaconda language at sometime in > the past? Not long after python made its debute? I've not see

Re: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-01-03, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2019-01-03, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Do I miss-remember that there was an anaconda language at sometime in the >> past? Not long after python made its debute? I've not see it mentioned >> in a decade so maybe its died? > > About 20 years ago, the RedHat

Re: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-01-03, Gene Heskett wrote: > Do I miss-remember that there was an anaconda language at sometime in the > past? Not long after python made its debute? I've not see it mentioned > in a decade so maybe its died? About 20 years ago, the RedHat Linux (way before RHEL) installer (which was

Re: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 7:01 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Do I miss-remember that there was an anaconda language at sometime in the > past? Not long after python made its debute? I've not see it mentioned > in a decade so maybe its died? Hmm, I don't know about a *language* per se. There is a

Re: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread Gene Heskett
but snakes do tend to shed their skin > periodically as they grow. > Do I miss-remember that there was an anaconda language at sometime in the past? Not long after python made its debute? I've not see it mentioned in a decade so maybe its died? > > > > > > -Original Message---

Re: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
i think leaving py2 is in the shed-skin process Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer http://www.pythonmembers.club | https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ Mauritius -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Avi Gross wrote: > Back to seriousness. I do not understand any suggestions that the python > language will go away any time soon. It will continue to evolve and sometimes > that evolution may introduce incompatibilities so earlier versions may have > to stop

RE: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread Avi Gross
advances, some growth is a good idea. Bad analogy, but snakes do tend to shed their skin periodically as they grow. -Original Message- From: Larry Martell Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 8:08 PM To: Avi Gross Cc: Python Subject: Re: the python name On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:04 PM Avi

Re: the python name

2019-01-03 Thread Jack Dangler
Odd that COBOL (Common Business Oriented Language)  and DIBOL (Digital Business Oriented Language) follow the paradigm, but SNOBOL went with "symBOlic"... On 1/2/19 7:22 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2019, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: Which was a derivative of BCPL (so one could

Re: the python name

2019-01-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 5:26 PM songbird wrote: > > Rick Johnson wrote: > > [ a bunch of irrelevant drivel ] > > if FORTRAN and COBOL aren't dead i don't see Python > going away any time soon. > > if you want to know the perspective of a new person > to the language and to help out make it

Re: the python name

2019-01-02 Thread songbird
Rick Johnson wrote: ... > Of course, no one can predict the consequences of every action. Not even GvR, > in is almost infinite wisdom, and his access to a semi-dependable time > machine, could predict such a tragedy of epic proportions. > > To say i'm saddened by the whole experience, would be

Re: the python name

2019-01-02 Thread songbird
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 19:41:36 +, "Schachner, Joseph" > declaimed the following: > > >>The name "Python" may not make sense, but what sense does the name Java make, >>or even C (unless you know that it was the successor to B), or Haskell or >>Pascal or even BASIC? Or

Re: the python name

2019-01-02 Thread Larry Martell
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:04 PM Avi Gross wrote: > > Challenge: Can we name any computer language whose name really would suggest > it was a computer language? COBOL (Common Business-Oriented Language) FORTRAN (Formula Translation) PL/1 (Programming Language 1) ALGOL (Algorithmic Language) --

RE: the python name

2019-01-02 Thread Avi Gross
is the least important aspect of a computer language. -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Dennis Lee Bieber Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 7:02 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: the python name On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 19:41:36 +, "Schachner, Joseph"

Re: the python name

2019-01-02 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: Which was a derivative of BCPL (so one could claim a successor of C should be named P), ?, mathematician, beginners all-purpose symbolic instruction code. R? maybe a subtle implication to be better/in-front-of S. SNOBOL is the ugly one, since

Re: the python name

2019-01-02 Thread MRAB
On 2019-01-02 19:41, Schachner, Joseph wrote: Python was started in the late 1980s by Guido Van Rossum, who (until quite recently) was the Benevolent Dictator for Life of Python. His recent strong support of Type Annotation was what got it passed - and having to fight for it was what

RE: the python name

2019-01-02 Thread Schachner, Joseph
s...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2019 1:39 AM To: python-list@python.org Subject: the python name why did you kept this name? i want to know the history behind this and the name of this snake python. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: the python name

2019-01-02 Thread Ben Oliver
On 18-12-31 22:39:04, pritanshsahs...@gmail.com wrote: why did you kept this name? i want to know the history behind this and the name of this snake python. It's named after Monty Python [0]. [0] https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/appetite.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature --

Re: the python name

2019-01-02 Thread Frank Millman
wrote in message news:05ff6fbc-69d5-4d3c-9073-67e774bd3...@googlegroups.com... why did you kept this name? i want to know the history behind this and the name of this snake python. I asked google the same question, and this is what it found -

the python name

2019-01-02 Thread pritanshsahsani
why did you kept this name? i want to know the history behind this and the name of this snake python. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

[os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns []

2013-01-29 Thread iMath
why [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns [] ? please explain it in detail ! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns []

2013-01-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:21 AM, iMath redstone-c...@163.com wrote: why [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns [] ? please explain it in detail ! That's a list comprehension. If you're familiar with functional programming, it's like a map operation. Since the input list

Re: [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns []

2013-01-29 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
- Original Message - why [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns [] ? please explain it in detail ! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list You're mapping an empty list. for name in [] JM -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any

Re: [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns []

2013-01-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
iMath wrote: why [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns [] ? Because you are iterating over an empty list, []. That list comprehension is the equivalent of: result = [] for name in []: result.append( os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) ) Since you iterate over an empty

Re: [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns []

2013-01-29 Thread Dave Angel
On 01/29/2013 08:21 AM, iMath wrote: why [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns [] ? please explain it in detail ! [ os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in [] ] It'd be nice if you would explain what part of it bothers you. Do you know what a list comprehension

Re: [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns []

2013-01-29 Thread iMath
在 2013年1月29日星期二UTC+8下午9时33分26秒,Steven D'Aprano写道: iMath wrote: why [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns [] ? Because you are iterating over an empty list, []. That list comprehension is the equivalent of: result = [] for name in []: result.append( os.path.join(r'E

Re: [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns []

2013-01-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:56 PM, iMath redstone-c...@163.com wrote: 在 2013年1月29日星期二UTC+8下午9时33分26秒,Steven D'Aprano写道: iMath wrote: why [os.path.join(r'E:\Python', name) for name in []] returns [] ? Because you are iterating over an empty list, []. That list comprehension is the equivalent

Re: Python name lookups / Interning strings

2005-10-11 Thread Dave
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lookdict_string is used for most lookups of the form obj.attr because they are never found to have non-string keys entered or searched. Furthermore, most of these string keys are interned, which I believe makes the check if (ep-me_key == NULL

Re: Python name lookups / Interning strings

2005-10-11 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Dave wrote: What exactly does it mean to intern a string? exactly it means to place lookup the string in the global interning dictionary. If an entry is found, then interning yields the string in the interning dictionary. If the string is not found, it is added to the interning dictionary, and

Re: Python name lookups / Interning strings

2005-10-11 Thread Terry Hancock
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 05:36 pm, Dave wrote: What exactly does it mean to intern a string? For very simple strings such as A and for strings used as identifiers (I think), Python creates a permanent object during byte-code compilation. Thereafter, any time that string value occurs in the

Re: Python name lookups

2005-10-10 Thread jepler
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 03:02:30PM -0700, Dave wrote: Hello All, As far as I understand, Python deals with a lot of string objects, i.e. it looks up all names. Is there a way to find out how many name lookup operations take place in a Python program? Is it the name lookup operation or hash

Re: Python name lookups

2005-10-10 Thread Steve Holden
Dave wrote: Hello All, As far as I understand, Python deals with a lot of string objects, i.e. it looks up all names. Is there a way to find out how many name lookup operations take place in a Python program? Is it the name lookup operation or hash operation that degrades performance?