On 15/01/2021 17.17, dn wrote:
On 16/01/2021 11.40, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 15/01/2021 16.01, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:56 AM Michael F. Stemper
wrote:
On 15/01/2021 15.26, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
_
On 16/01/21 10:14 am, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
I had no idea that syntax existed, and find it completely at odds
with The Zen of Python.
It's not an *obvious* way, so there's no Zen conflict.
As for why it exists, it's part of the mechanism that implements
imports -- 'import' statements get c
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:18 AM dn via Python-list
wrote:
> >> I am confuzzed.
> >
> > It's a common condition.
>
> There are three components:
> 1 From the Greek: "con" meaning 'against' or 'unable'.
> 2 From tech-jargon (and the Australian habit of shortening every word in
> the English languag
On 16/01/2021 11.40, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 15/01/2021 16.01, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:56 AM Michael F. Stemper
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 15/01/2021 15.26, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
> On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
>
>> __imp
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:47 AM Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>
> On 15/01/2021 16.01, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:56 AM Michael F. Stemper
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 15/01/2021 15.26, Stefan Ram wrote:
> >>> "Michael F. Stemper" writes:
> On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram w
On 15/01/2021 16.01, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:56 AM Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 15/01/2021 15.26, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
__import__( "math" ).sqrt( 4 )
I had no idea that syntax existed, and find it c
On 15/01/2021 06.44, Denys Contant wrote:
> I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
> Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
> I use it ALL THE TIME!
>
> That felt good. Thank you.
Are you 'venting', or do you have
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:25 AM Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>
> In comp.lang.python, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> >> On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
> >>> __import__( "math" ).sqrt( 4 )
> >> I had no idea that syntax existed, and find it complet
In comp.lang.python, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>> __import__( "math" ).sqrt( 4 )
>> I had no idea that syntax existed, and find it completely at odds
>> with The Zen of Python. I'm torn between forgetting that I ever saw
>> it an
On 16/01/2021 10.49, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
...
> Es ist Feierabend
You had me there for a moment, because spotting a 'double meaning"
(actually triple) my mind succumbing to dissonance, refused to translate
(into English), instead latching onto the last two syllables:-
At one time, tech-jar
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:56 AM Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>
> On 15/01/2021 15.26, Stefan Ram wrote:
> > "Michael F. Stemper" writes:
> >> On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
> >>> __import__( "math" ).sqrt( 4 )
> >> I had no idea that syntax existed, and find it completely at odds
> >> with T
On 15/01/2021 15.26, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
__import__( "math" ).sqrt( 4 )
I had no idea that syntax existed, and find it completely at odds
with The Zen of Python. I'm torn between forgetting that I ever saw
it and using it for s
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:16 AM Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>
> On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
> > "Michael F. Stemper" writes:
>
> >> Of these, only EcmaScript has
> >> Math.sqrt() as part of the language, and that could be partly
> >> due to the fact that the
On 15/01/2021 14.01, Stefan Ram wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" writes:
Of these, only EcmaScript has
Math.sqrt() as part of the language, and that could be partly
due to the fact that the language doesn't have any concept of
"import" or "include".
You do not ne
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 7:45 AM Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> > Languages differ. I don't see why it's so important to focus on just
> > one thing - and to complain that, even though it's in the standard
> > library, you have to use an import command to get it.
>
> You should probably direct this to
On 15/01/2021 14.02, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 6:21 AM Michael F. Stemper wrote:
Here's the status of the square root function in various languages,
in the order that I encountered them:
FORTRANPart of the language
Pascal Part of the language
SNOBOL Part of the
Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 14/01/2021 13.00, Rob Cliffe wrote:
> > On 14/01/2021 17:44, Denys Contant wrote:
>
> >> I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
> >> Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
> >
On 15/01/2021 14.00, Chris Green wrote:
Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 14/01/2021 13.00, Rob Cliffe wrote:
On 14/01/2021 17:44, Denys Contant wrote:
I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
I use it ALL THE
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 6:21 AM Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> Here's the status of the square root function in various languages,
> in the order that I encountered them:
>
> FORTRANPart of the language
> Pascal Part of the language
> SNOBOL Part of the language
> c Need to #incl
On 14/01/2021 13.00, Rob Cliffe wrote:
On 14/01/2021 17:44, Denys Contant wrote:
I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
I use it ALL THE TIME!
I agree that, especially if you have experience in other lang
On 14/01/2021 17:44, Denys Contant wrote:
I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
I use it ALL THE TIME!
I agree that, especially if you have experience in other languages, this
feels odd, and I have
Aother thing to consider is that math.sqrt is not the only
sqrt function in Python. There is also one in cmath, and
in the wider ecosystem, another one in numpy. Being explicit
about which one you're using is a good thing.
Concerning exponentiation, it can be used to achieve the same
thing as sqr
In comp.lang.python, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 1/14/21 11:06 AM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>> "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it."
>> Plus the ** operation ("root = x ** 0.5"), that's now three ways.
> Yes, but which of those is obvious?
If it's up to me, the ** on
importing
that and waiting as they all load.
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On 1/14/21 11:06 AM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
> "There shoul
On 1/14/21 11:06 AM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
"There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it."
Meanwhile, Alan Gauld pointed out:
AG> because pow() is a builtin function and
AG> root = pow(x,0.5)
AG> is the same as
AG> root = math.sqrt(x)
Plus the ** operation
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 6:11 AM Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>
> In comp.lang.python, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> > Finally, should have never considered it, I think you might want to
> > study the output of
> >
> > import this
> >
> > Think on the second and last lines in particula
In comp.lang.python, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Finally, should have never considered it, I think you might want to
> study the output of
>
> import this
>
> Think on the second and last lines in particular.
>>> import this
The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
Beautiful is better than ugly.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 5:56 AM <2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote:
>
> On 2021-01-14 at 17:54:55 +,
> Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
>
> > My question is: why do we even have a sqrt() in the
> > math module given that pow() and ** are already there?
>
> Probably because the standar
On 2021-01-14 at 17:54:55 +,
Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> My question is: why do we even have a sqrt() in the
> math module given that pow() and ** are already there?
Probably because the standard C math library has such a function, and
Python's math module is (or at least was) suppos
On 1/14/21 9:44 AM, Denys Contant wrote:
I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
I use it ALL THE TIME!
And thousands, tens of thousands, and maybe hundreds of thousands don't.
That felt good. Thank
On 14/01/2021 17:44, Denys Contant wrote:
> I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
> Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
> I use it ALL THE TIME!
because pow() is a builtin function and
root = pow(x,0.5)
is the same as
root = math.
> I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
> Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
> I use it ALL THE TIME!
For one, it's specific to numeric types. You might use it all the
time, but I (for example) almost never need to use it, or
Il 14/01/2021 18:44, Denys Contant ha scritto:
I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
I use it ALL THE TIME!
That felt good. Thank you.
>>> val=16
>>> exp=2
>>>
I don't understand why sqrt is not a built-in function.
Why do we have to first import the function from the math module?
I use it ALL THE TIME!
That felt good. Thank you.
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