Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] apple-Python and TLS 1.0

2017-01-12 Thread Kevin Ollivier
On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Jack Jansen wrote: > Ok, so this is a real problem:-( > > Again, I’m not deep enough into the SSL stuff to really understand this > (and specifically whether it needs a new openssl module, a new libssl, > both, something else, ….), but I’d like to think of ways to

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] apple-Python and TLS 1.0

2017-01-12 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Jack, No, I think you're spot on, this is a big problem. Actually, 2.7.9-2.7.12, even the Python.org ones, are already somewhat broken because they use Apple's ancient OpenSSL version. All the ciphers supported by that version of OpenSSL are ones that are regarded as insecure now, so most mo

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython problem...

2007-04-23 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Jerry, You should bring this up on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. I'm pretty sure someone there will be able to help you. Regards, Kevin On Apr 23, 2007, at 6:52 AM, Jerry LeVan wrote: > Hi, > > I am running latest OSX 10.4.9, Python 2.5.1 (r251:54869, Apr 18 > 2007, 22:08:04) and > wxPython

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] OSX on intel, py2app 0.2 maint wxPython2.6.3.2rc3-universal10.4-py24.dmg .rsrc file missing

2006-06-17 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Dan, On Jun 14, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Dan White wrote: > Hi Kevin and all, > >> Please try the following build: >> >> http://kevino.theolliviers.com/wxpython/wxPython2.6-osx- >> unicode-2.6.3.2rc3-universal10.4-py2.4.dmg >> >> It does link against the wx libraries now, but I realized that >> PyOpe

[Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython OS X Universal Binaries RC2

2006-05-01 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi all, I've posted a new RC that should fix the issues reported so far. The new version can be downloaded from here: http://www.wxpython.org/download.php Kevin ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/li

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Installing wxPython with ActivePython and OSX

2006-04-24 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Charles, On Apr 24, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: > > On Apr 24, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > >> Charles Hartman wrote: >>> I did the "obvious": >>> sudo mv /usr/local/lib/wxPython-unicode-2.6.3.2rc1 /usr/local/ >>> lib/ wxPython-unicode-2.6.3.2 >>> and it seems

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Installing wxPython with ActivePython and OSX

2006-04-24 Thread Kevin Ollivier
o try that to see if it works on Panther. ;-) (I don't have time to attempt it right now.) URL is here: http://wxpython.org/downloads.php Thanks, Kevin On Apr 17, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Trent Mick wrote: > [Trent] >>> wxPython on the Mac seems to be painful right now. > >

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Installing wxPython with ActivePython and OSX

2006-04-17 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Trent, On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Trent Mick wrote: > [Thomas Juntunen wrote] >>> I'm trying to get wxPython going with ActivePython, Komodo and >>> OSX.4.6 >>> >>> The wx installer is installing to my framework "system" python >>> (Apple >>> 2.3.5) >>> >>> Is there any way to get this to

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython -- some disappointment using it.

2006-04-11 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Louis, On Apr 11, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Louis Pecora wrote: > I bought the wxPython in Action book and started trying the simple > examples in Chap. 1. One thing I have run into is rather > disappointing. Many errors (e.g. I typed return true, instead of > return > True) do not give the belove

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-08 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bill, (First, note to Kenichi - sorry to bother you with this. I had planned to summarize some of these things for you later on.) On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: > Hi, Kevin. > >> Hi Bill, >> >> On Apr 7, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: >> >>> Hmmm... >>> >>> Kevin, I

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-08 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Russell, On Apr 7, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Kevin Ollivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Some things to note: >> >> - The final icon will be in the OS X photo-illustrative style (see >> his

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-08 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bill, On Apr 7, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: > Hmmm... > > Kevin, I wonder if the checkerboard the blocks are standing on could > perhaps become more of a morph of the new yin/yang Python logo. I'd > like to see some kind of connection to the graphics being developed > for the main P

[Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-07 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi all, Sorry this has taken forever and a day, but I didn't really want to say too much until I had something ready to show. Here is a 3D mock- up by Kenichi Yoshida (http://www.kenichiyoshida.jp/), who I've been working with on the icon. http://kevino.theolliviers.com/0406_macpython.jpg I

[Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython universal (was Re: Wiki Formatting)

2006-03-30 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Charles,On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:Chris,Are you still planning to work on wxPython? That would be great -- I can't really use the Universal Python till that works too. I'd be glad to help, and I'm not lazy -- but I sure am ignorant, so I don't think I have much to contri

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wx.ART_NEW, 'module' object has no attribute 'ART_NEW'

2006-03-07 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Rob, On Mar 7, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Rob J Goedman wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to Python. For a biometrix application I am investigating > python or java (right > now its in VB). > > Earlier this morning I installed (on OS 10.4.5) the latest version of > MacPython-OSX-2.4.1, > the Mac fix (TigerPytho

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython & "universal" Python

2006-03-03 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Kevin, On Mar 3, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > My installation of the "universal" Python installer went smoothly > (thanks Ronald and Bob!). However, it broke my existing > installation of > wxPython 2.6.2. Should I just reinstal

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bill, On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: >> That's just one icon, we need several icons. At least we now have a >> consistent set of icons. An historical looking set of icons, but a >> *set* >> of icons. > > Yes, I comprehend, several different icons for the various > applicatio

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated

2006-03-02 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Donovan, On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Donovan Preston wrote: > > On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: > >> Ron Oussoren writes: >>> The 16 ton icon stays until someone brings a better alternative. > > Stop with the 16 ton weight/snakes/apples debate. Just use the new, > official, py

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Build script for Universal Python

2006-02-14 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Chris, On Feb 14, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Kevin, you are completely right about the icon issue, but someone > needs to lead the effort --- will you do it? If you want it to be > adopted by the general Python community, Guido is the obvious one > to ask. By the way,

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Build script for Universal Python

2006-02-13 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Ronald, On Feb 13, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: [snip] > I haven't seen the icon, is it online somewhere? BTW. I do use > wxPython at work, it is the easiest way to develop windows GUI's > without leaving the comforts of my mac. If you're running Tiger, go to /Developer/Examp

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Build script for Universal Python

2006-02-13 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Ronald, On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On 13-feb-2006, at 19:17, Bob Ippolito wrote: > >> >> On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> >>> >>> On 13-feb-2006, at 1:37, Bob Ippolito wrote: >>> wonder how hard this is to add to IDLE, or if we can just

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] My stab at a new page

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bob, On Feb 10, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote: [snip] > Do you really think that there is a large enough audience that would > be willing to read pages of documentation, but not be willing to > install anything? Yes. (Though there shouldn't need to be several pages of docs.) Many u

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] My stab at a new page

2006-02-09 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bob, On Feb 9, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: [snip] > The issue of not being able to produce redistributable applications > still exists, and also backwards compatibility with previous versions > of Mac OS X. I haven't had time to respond to your other emails yet, but I've seen you

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

2006-02-08 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bill, On Feb 8, 2006, at 7:24 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: >> I am one of those too, of course, but I do know a lot of Mac users >> who spend most of their time in applications like Photoshop, >> Dreamweaver, BBEdit, etc. and rarely venture towards the Terminal. >> Not quite the same audience, but

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

2006-02-08 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bob, On Feb 8, 2006, at 5:47 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Kevin Ollivier wrote: > >> >> On Feb 8, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >>>> >>>> It's a bit confusing to talk as if n

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

2006-02-08 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Chris, On Feb 8, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Kevin Ollivier wrote: >> My point is: When people upgrade Python, anyway, anyhow, their >> extensions will break. MacPython 2.4 doesn't do anything more or >> less than Apple's Python in stoppi

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

2006-02-08 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Chris, On Feb 8, 2006, at 2:42 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Kevin Ollivier wrote: >> As does just explicitly upgrading your Python. I don't see why it's >> breaking if you install Leopard, but upgrading if you install >> MacPython >> 2.4 fro

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

2006-02-08 Thread Kevin Ollivier
On Feb 8, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: [snip] >> >> It's a bit confusing to talk as if needing new extensions == >> breakage. (You know you're a geek when it's second nature to write >> equality tests like this. ;-) I remember Python 2.1 and I've had to >> upgrade several times, and I n

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

2006-02-08 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bob, On Feb 8, 2006, at 1:49 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Kevin Ollivier wrote: > >>> In addition, if you have your code running just fine and dandy under >>> Apple's python, then you upgrade to 10.5, chances are that your app >&

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

2006-02-08 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Chris, On Feb 7, 2006, at 11:07 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Chris Porter wrote: >> And here, Mac comes with Python! Very nice. >> That shouldn't be downplayed. All I needed was the Python that was >> already >> installed, plus a couple added things. (I needed Python to talk to >> MySQL

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython build issue

2006-02-03 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bob, On Feb 3, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2006, at 6:02 PM, Kevin Ollivier wrote: > >> On Feb 3, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Bill Northcott wrote: >> >>> On 04/02/2006, at 12:00 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: >>>> This is exactly what TigerPyt

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython build issue

2006-02-03 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bill, On Feb 3, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Bill Northcott wrote: > Hi Kevin > > On 04/02/2006, at 11:08 AM, Kevin Ollivier wrote: >>> As I read the Opengroup document, Posix 200112L and Xopen 600 >>> have been converged. Older standards would not be the same and >

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython build issue

2006-02-03 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bill, On Feb 3, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Bill Northcott wrote: > On 04/02/2006, at 12:00 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: >>> The issue only arises using Python 2.4.x on Tiger. It does not >>> arise >>> with Python 2.3.x on Tiger or Python 2.4.x on Panther (MacOS 10.3.x) >> >> On top of that, it should onl

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython build issue

2006-02-03 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bill, On Feb 3, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Bill Northcott wrote: >>> PS I still have the issue from my other posting which Adriano >>> posted in September. >> >> Could you give me a thread to look up so that I can follow up? > > I spent a bit more time on this, but I have to quit now. > > The proble

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython build issue

2006-02-03 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bill, On Feb 3, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Bill Northcott wrote: > On 04/02/2006, at 3:52 AM, Kevin Ollivier wrote: >>> So I added more alternative conditions to wx/string.h:46 thus: >>> #if defined(HAVE_STRCASECMP_IN_STRINGS_H) || _POSIX_C_SOURCE == >>> 200112L || _XO

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython build issue

2006-02-03 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bill, On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:53 PM, Bill Northcott wrote: > On 03/02/2006, at 6:32 PM, Kevin Ollivier wrote: >>> I found that _POSIX_C_SOURCES is defined in pyconfig.h in Python 2.4 >>> but not 2.3. So this problem will only arise using Python 2.4 on >>> Tiger.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython build issue

2006-02-02 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bill, On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Bill Northcott wrote: > The more I look, the more the problem spreads. > > I found that _POSIX_C_SOURCES is defined in pyconfig.h in Python 2.4 > but not 2.3. So this problem will only arise using Python 2.4 on > Tiger. Python 2.4 on Panther, or 2.3 on Tiger

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app 0.3 stable?

2006-01-29 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Justin, On Jan 29, 2006, at 6:23 PM, Justin Mitchell wrote: > On 1/29/06, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Jan 29, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Justin Mitchell wrote: >> >>> I did attempt to use 0.3 and got errors. I'll attempt to diagnose >>> those after I figure out whether it's even meant

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] building universal binaries

2006-01-26 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bob, On Jan 26, 2006, at 10:44 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: [snip] > Another approach would be to write a little front-end for GCC that > knows how to mangle the arguments properly so that it ends up > running GCC 3.3 against the 10.3 SDK then GCC 4 against the > universal SDK and lipo the o

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] building universal binaries

2006-01-26 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bob, On Jan 26, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: [snip] >> Sorry, I wasn't really thinking about extensions. By Panther I did >> mean building against the 10.3.9 SDK, which would give the desired >> results for the Python binary itself, but as you said extending >> that to correct

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] building universal binaries

2006-01-26 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bob, On Jan 26, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: [snip] >> IMHO, what would be cool is to allow the user to pass the SDK in as >> some sort of configure flag or maybe a shell variable, something >> like: >> >> ./configure MACOSX_SDK=/my/path/to/SDK >> >> This, along with the addition

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] building universal binaries

2006-01-26 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi, On Jan 26, 2006, at 7:22 PM, bear wrote: > Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> That part is easy enough. If you want a framework build you'll >> have to >> patch Makefile.pre.in because it contains a hardcoded '-arch ppc' in >> the section that builds that actual framework. Otherwise it should >> jus

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] building universal binaries

2006-01-26 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Ronald, On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:48 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: [snip] > I'm (very slowly) playing around with adding '-arch ppc -arch i386' > to the build flags and building on an intel host. That way you won't > have to use SDKs, which makes it less likely that configure picks up > other infor

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] building universal binaries

2006-01-25 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi, On Jan 25, 2006, at 2:59 PM, bear wrote: > Kevin Ollivier wrote: >> How exactly are you doing this? Are you passing these flags into >> configure, or editing the configure script? I'm seeing that it >> does matter where in the configure script the options are ad

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] building universal binaries

2006-01-25 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi, On Jan 25, 2006, at 11:02 AM, bear wrote: > > > Kevin Ollivier wrote: >> Take out the -syslibroot part (which is only needed for libtool, >> IIUC) >> and make sure the "-arch ppc -arch i386" bit is in LDFLAGS as well. >> That's how I got w

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] ANN: ActivePython 2.4.2.10 is now available

2006-01-25 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bear, On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:55 PM, bear wrote: [snip] > The --prefix option will tell configure where to place the files so > you > don't overwrite your current python. > > I am looking forward to seeing what the UB related options are - > when I > have tried the ones mentioned in the Tec

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Best site to get Numeric and wxPython for new Tiger 10.4 install?

2006-01-11 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Louis, On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Louis Pecora wrote: > I just upgraded to Tiger (archive and install) and need to reinstall > some of the Python packages. Googling shows many sites some of which > are outdated, some ... who knows? > > What are the best sites to use to install Numeric and

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app uses wrong version of wxPython?

2005-12-15 Thread Kevin Ollivier
On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Erik Westra wrote: [snip] > I'm not sure if the problem is an obscure bug in py2app, if something > is screwed up in the wxPython 2.6.1.0 library (maybe it includes the > wrong version of an .so files or something), or if I've done > something stupid to cause the pr

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app 0.2, Python 2.4 and wxPython 2.6.1

2005-09-15 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Bob, On Sep 15, 2005, at 9:54 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > On Sep 15, 2005, at 1:16 AM, Kevin Ollivier wrote: > > >> Hi all, >> >> When I try to bundle a wxPython application using py2app on Python >> 2.4 under Panther, it runs into a 'file exists

[Pythonmac-SIG] py2app 0.2, Python 2.4 and wxPython 2.6.1

2005-09-14 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi all, When I try to bundle a wxPython application using py2app on Python 2.4 under Panther, it runs into a 'file exists' error at build_app.py line 728, which is an os.symlink call at the bottom of copy_python_framework(). (Complete traceback below.) When I switch to the system-included

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?

2005-08-19 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Chris, Sorry for the late reply. ;-/ On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Kevin Ollivier wrote: > >> I can't answer the questions you posed below, as I do almost all >> of my >> Mac work with wxPython, but when I read about what you're try

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?

2005-08-16 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Chris, On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:31 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working on a project in which we're trying to write a Web app that > can also be run stand-alone on a non-networked machine. I can't answer the questions you posed below, as I do almost all of my Mac work with wxPyt

[Pythonmac-SIG] Boa OS X menubar bug (Re: wxPython apps keep crashing on me :-( )

2005-08-14 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Adriano, I'm bringing one of the Boa core developers in on this in order to fill him in on the details of this bug. Riaan, Adriano's setup is Python 2.4, wxPython 2.6.1.0, on OS X 10.4.2. I'm not sure what version of Boa he's using, but I see the same problem in the 0.4.4 release. On A

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython apps keep crashing on me :-(

2005-08-14 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Adriano, On Aug 14, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Adriano wrote: > Hello all, > > I have some problems and some questions about some wxPython based > apps I'd like to use. > > They are Boa Constructor, wxGlade and probably also XRCed > > I downloaded the prepackaged version by Kevin Walzer and I have the

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Where to go for wxPython help & tutorials?

2005-06-16 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Chris, On Jun 16, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Chris Barker wrote: [snip] > > The reference manual is your best bet, though it's not indexed. > What I do is grep all the html files, and usually find what I want. > > One of the tricks is that as an OO library, most of the methods > available for a w

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Performance improvement in Python 2.4.1/wxPython 2.6?

2005-05-18 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Kevin, On May 17, 2005, at 8:45 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone using wxPython libraries noticed a performance > improvement in > Bob's Python 2.4.1 build and wxPython 2.6? I'm working on some new > versions of the wxPython apps I main

[Pythonmac-SIG] site-packages symlink location changed in Tiger?

2005-04-30 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi all, Like a good Mac citizen, I promptly picked up my copy of Tiger and upgraded yesterday, and I noticed that most of my third-party Python packages weren't being discovered. After re-installing one, I saw what (on my machine) was causing the problem: after upgrading, the location point

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] cross-platform puzzle

2005-02-21 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Charles, On Feb 21, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: This may be the wrong list for this question. Send me away if so, but I thought I'd try here first. I'm building Mac and Windows versions of an application with a dictionary as one main data structure. A dialog box lets the user typ

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Mac Python User Newbies

2005-02-14 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Chris, I promised myself I'd stay out of this discussion, but I think you hit on a good point and wanted to expand on it. On Feb 14, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Chris Barker wrote: [snip] Same for GUI toolkit, Whatever toolkit this fabulous IDE uses, there are going to be a lot of us that want a diffe

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Mac Guikits

2005-02-09 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Brendan, On Feb 9, 2005, at 7:09 AM, Brendan Simons wrote: It doesn't matter how cheap and fast it is for 5% of the market. If you look at open source graphical toolkits that support at least two platforms, you won't find any that started on the Mac. These are the ones I know of that can be use

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Office Macs, shudder...

2005-01-24 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Pete, On Jan 24, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Pete wrote: The result is close enough that I might be able to convince my office to switch to Apple. You can't beat that! Brendan I hope the wxPython devotees don't assume that Mac users want to see Macs in the office to replace Windows?? I don't think wxPyt

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] coding preference

2005-01-23 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Jack, On Jan 23, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Jack Jansen wrote: On 22-jan-05, at 2:21, Kevin Ollivier wrote: Hi Jack, Hi Kevin! First: sorry for my bad choice of words. "throwaway apps" especially is not what I should have said, and some of the other words were badly chosen too. I definitely

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] coding preference

2005-01-23 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Pete, On Jan 23, 2005, at 5:19 AM, Pete wrote: [snip] Personally I have a great application and I don't care about the 'market' - I don't owe them anything, especially the sheepish ones. My app' is currently very simple and I am going to continue developing it on the greatest client platform a

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] coding preference

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Jack, On Jan 20, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Jack Jansen wrote: On 19-jan-05, at 18:54, Chris Barker wrote: I've never used QT, so I can't speak to the advantages. One reason I would consider switching, however, is that there are more Scientific Widgets for QT (like http://qwt.sourceforge.net/). If you