At 06:30 AM 5/18/99 GMT, Mr Sam set digit to keypad:
format is machine-parseable, and the sender has some control over what
conditions trigger a DSN.
Something I've thought for a while but never had the
guts to say.
Why could one want a machine-parseable, sender-manipulable
bounce message?
I am setting up a Perl script that will create new POP accounts, and need to
run the "qmail-newu" program within a Perl script. When I try to run it, I
get permission problems. I have tried everything I can think of as far as
permission combination, but can't find a solution.
Has anyone been
Chris Naden writes:
At 06:30 AM 5/18/99 GMT, Mr Sam set digit to keypad:
format is machine-parseable, and the sender has some control over what
conditions trigger a DSN.
Something I've thought for a while but never had the
guts to say.
Why could one want a machine-parseable,
Ease up everyone... Tasos isn't a flame-baiting troller... he probably really needs
DSN (I feel your pain Tasos, I need it too).
Anyway, he's also the author of Listproc (yeah!), which I'm still using to this day
because everything else (read majordomo) I've tried sucks hard; anyway, he's
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 08:00:52AM +0100, Chris Naden wrote:
Why could one want a machine-parseable, sender-manipulable
bounce message? Presumeably because you want to differentiate
between bounces and you want a machine to parse the responses.
To me, that says 'Spam-checking domains for
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 09:19:29AM -0400, Eric Shafto wrote:
(I'm considering changing the default HELO in qmail-remote in qmail 2.0
to use the bracketed IP address of the client.)
How much of a standard is that?
RFC821:
HELO SP domain CRLF
domain ::= element | element
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
On 18 May 1999, Russell Nelson wrote:
This is completely unfair.
No it't not. It's the truth.
Calling qmail "non-conforming" because it has its own
bounce format is like calling Eric Allman "non-conforming" just
because he's gay.
Eric Allman's GAY?
Hi,
for some stuipid reason a customer sent out a message containing 1500 (!)
','-seperated entries in the bcc: header using AK-Mail with a qmail 1.03
smtp server for outgoing mail.
qmail-header(5) says
qmail-inject deletes any Bcc field
and RFC822 says there is no length limit on the header
my Linux system is sendmail free. I do not have sendmail in /var/qmail/bin
Do I need to have it to solve the problem. if so, how to do it without
reinstalling Qmail.
Thanks
Andrzej Wadas
James McGlinn wrote:
root wrote:
I am trying to use formmail script ( www.worldwidemart.com )with qmail
If it's a Perl script, you can do it something like this:
open(mail,"|/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject ");
print(mail "From: Theda Bara femmefetish\@telia.com\n");
print(mail "To: Fred Backman fredrick.backman\@pmail.net\n");
print(mail "Subject: Lunch with me?\n\n");
printf(mail "The main message
Scott D. Yelich wrote:
Calling qmail "non-conforming" because it has its own
bounce format is like calling Eric Allman "non-conforming" just
because he's gay.
Eric Allman's GAY?
Yes, he shares his life with Kirk McKusick (one of the BSD fathers).
See
qmail Digest 18 May 1999 10:00:01 - Issue 644
Topics (messages 25652 through 25700):
paternalism?
25652 by: Andre Oppermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
25653 by: Anand Buddhdev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Q: Is it possible to bind 2 diffrent qmail instances on 2 diffrent network interfaces
Andre Oppermann writes:
See http://www.mckusick.com/~mckusick/index.html
Thanks for taking the bandwidth to share that. What's it got to do
with qmail?
John
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VOX 408.370.2688, FAX 408.379.9602, whois '!JC154'
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While i m installing my qmail and running
make command it shows me like this:
# make setup check
( cat warn-auto.sh; \
echo CC=\'`head -1 conf-cc`\';
\
echo LD=\'`head -1 conf-ld`\' \
) > auto-ccld.sh
cat auto-ccld.sh make-load.sh >
make-load
chmod 755 make-load
cat auto-ccld.sh find-systype.sh
+ "Peter Janett" [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
| Has anyone been able to execute the qmail-newu command via a Perl
| script?
I haven't tried, but can think of no reason why it should be
impossible or even difficult: It's just another program to be run,
which you can do using
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:43:30AM +0200, Eike Kiltz wrote:
Hi,
for some stuipid reason a customer sent out a message containing 1500 (!)
','-seperated entries in the bcc: header using AK-Mail with a qmail 1.03
smtp server for outgoing mail.
qmail-header(5) says
qmail-inject deletes
Chris Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When you say "with a qmail 1.03 smtp server for outgoing mail," do
you mean that this message was injected with SMTP? If so, then
qmail-inject never saw the message. qmail-smtpd doesn't look at the
headers, and execs qmail-queue to queue the message
"A.Wadas" wrote:
my Linux system is sendmail free. I do not have sendmail in /var/qmail/bin
Do I need to have it to solve the problem. if so, how to do it without
reinstalling Qmail.
Thanks
Andrzej Wadas
I don't know if it's specific to the Memphis RPM I used to install
Qmail, but my
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 02:27:58PM +0200, Thomas Neumann wrote:
Chris Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When you say "with a qmail 1.03 smtp server for outgoing mail," do
you mean that this message was injected with SMTP? If so, then
qmail-inject never saw the message. qmail-smtpd
Trevor Harrison wrote:
Ease up everyone... Tasos isn't a flame-baiting troller... he probably really needs
DSN (I feel your pain Tasos, I need it too).
Anyway, he's also the author of Listproc (yeah!), which I'm still using to this day
because everything else (read majordomo) I've tried
From: "Scott D. Yelich" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:41:35 -0600 (MDT)
Eric Allman's GAY?
Of course we all know that using software written by gay authors might make us
gay as well.
Who in the hell cares?
Chris
--
Chris Garrigues virCIO
+1 512 432
Hi,
I read Qmail's documentation again and I realized that DJB didn't mention
logging other than qmail-send. Is logging obsolete? I don't think so. But
why other (smtpd, qmtpd, but most importantly pop3d) services lack the
support of logging?
IMHO the technology behind qmail logging is wrong.
Tasos Kotsikonas writes:
With so much volume of email going out we need to cut down
on the number of bounces.
Look into qmail's VERP. VERP will make you happy. Very, very, very happy.
In fact, our bounce handling code resolves about 99.2% of them (on
a test of half a million random
Tasos Kotsikonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 18 May 1999 at 13:56:37 +
Thanks everyone for the responses. Indeed our need for DSNs is
simply TREMENDOUS. Email Solutions is setting up an
enterprise-level services organization and the software we have
developed (newsletter delivery
Balazs Nagy wrote:
Hi,
I read Qmail's documentation again and I realized that DJB didn't mention
logging other than qmail-send. Is logging obsolete? I don't think so. But
why other (smtpd, qmtpd, but most importantly pop3d) services lack the
support of logging?
IMHO the technology
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
With VERP, if you receive a bounce, then it will be addressed in such
a way as to completely specify what bounced. Period. Handling that
automatically is certainly no trick.
Well, actually, sometimes gateways send bounces to the From: address.
Yes, this is
Balazs Nagy writes:
IMHO the technology behind qmail logging is wrong. These inetd-controlled
services cannot use stderr for logging (as tcpserver), and none of DJB's
software use syslog. Therefore no logging is applied to these softwares.
That's why you don't use inetd. Inetd is stupid.
Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
With VERP, if you receive a bounce, then it will be addressed in such
a way as to completely specify what bounced. Period. Handling that
automatically is certainly no trick.
Well, actually, sometimes gateways send bounces
I've installed qmailanalog on my mail gateway and ran zoverall against
the last 81 days of mail stats. What I came up with leads me to question
how well my machine is working. The hardware is a Sun Enterprise 250
with dual 300MHz UltraSPARC-II's, and 256MB of RAM running Solaris 7.
What I am
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Andre Oppermann wrote:
Balazs Nagy wrote:
I see two solutions. The first one is not likely to be realized: use
syslog. The another one is much better. My idea is the same as in
qmail-start: tcpserver should open a file descriptor for piping through a
logger
Ok, I give up, what's a DSN?
Barton writes:
Ok, I give up, what's a DSN?
Delivery Status Notice. It's an attempt to solve every possible
problem related to email delivery, including bounces, delayed
messages, vacation responses, and changes of email address.
Unfortunately, it's so complicated that it hasn't had
Tasos,
Others have pointed this out, but I wanted to reinforce it: if you
are already using qmail then handling list-traffic-bounces is so
tremendously easy using VERP that there really isn't any comparison
to DSN. In the most recent survey that I am aware of, DJB's Jan
1998 survey, about 41%
The only program in the qmail suite that looks at headers is
qmail-inject. If the message was submitted via SMTP, nothing in
qmail ever looked at those Bcc: headers. The submitting client
(AK-Mail?) *should* have stripped bcc fromt the headers and built
the correct envelope.
My guess is this:
Barton writes:
Ok, I give up, what's a DSN?
Read RFC1891, RFC1892, RFC1893, and RFC1894.
A standard format for a bounce message. Well, somewhat more than that.
--
Sam
Russell Nelson writes:
Delivery Status Notice. It's an attempt to solve every possible
problem related to email delivery, including bounces, delayed
messages, vacation responses, and changes of email address.
Unfortunately, it's so complicated that it hasn't had sufficient
penetration to
+ "Chris Garrigues" [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
| Simplicity is good. Isn't there a quote along the line of "as
| simple as possible, but no simpler"?
Albert Einstein:
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
or
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not any
Wait, do DSN's include return receipts for successfully delivered mail?
--Adam
- Original Message -
From: Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: What's a DSN?
: Barton writes:
:
: Ok, I give up, what's a DSN?
:
: Read RFC1891,
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Andre Oppermann wrote:
Feel free to roll your own patch which send's all it's stuff to syslog.
Well, I think if I hack syslog support into qmail, it won't be qmail anymore
as DJB said before.
Anyway, who cares about inetd?
Anyone who don't want to install ucspi-tcp.
Sam writes:
When you have mailing lists that number in millions, you will usually have
thousands of messages going to the same messages.
Slippery fingers. IM "to the same domain".
--
Sam
Tasos Kotsikonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not a subscriber of this list so if you have any relevant comments
please copy me too. Our company is looking around for qmail
replacements that do DSNs, after having sent a couple of emails
to Dan and received no replies on this issue.
Dan's
Ralf Guenthner wrote:
Hi
Sorry if this is pretty basic...
While doing
"cat logneu | ./bin/matchup log1" in /usr/local/qmailanalog
I get the message:
matchup: fatal: unable to write fd 5: file descriptor not open
What's wrong? Is my ulimit too low??
You forgot to redirect fd
Text written by Chris Garrigues at 09:04 AM 5/18/99 -0500:
Eric Allman's GAY?
Of course we all know that using software written by gay authors might
make us
gay as well.
Who in the hell cares?
Someone who's exploring their sexuality and wants to know that not all gay
people are artists,
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Peter Janett wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I tried exactly what you suggested:
system("/var/qmail/bin/qmail-newu");
But this fails, appearing to be a permission problem. If I telnet in as the
user that the script runs as, I get "Permission denied". So, I changed
Maybe you mean
"Non sunt entia multiplicanda praeter necessitatem."
-- Sir William of Ockam
(also known as "Ockam's razor")?
--
Jos Backus _/ _/_/_/ "Reliability means never
_/ _/ _/ having to
Grr. Sorry for the off-topic off-topic post, I should have _read_ Harald's
post before replying...
--
Jos Backus _/ _/_/_/ "Reliability means never
_/ _/ _/ having to say you're sorry."
_/ _/_/_/
+ "Peter Janett" [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
| It looks like qmail-newu creates a cdb.tmp file, then copies it to
| the cdb file.
No, it renames it. The reason is that the update has to be atomic,
since there is a live mail system using the database.
| Even if I change the permissions to allow the
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, qmail's VERP should allow you to be 100% successful; and
DSNs won't, since they're not widely supported.
Huh? What's your threshold for "widely supported"? Doesn't sendmail
have something like 80% market share and nice DSN support?
--Arnt
Arnt Gulbrandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 18 May 1999 at 20:12:17 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, qmail's VERP should allow you to be 100% successful; and
DSNs won't, since they're not widely supported.
Huh? What's your threshold for "widely supported"? Doesn't sendmail
On 18-May-99 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, qmail's VERP should allow you to be 100% successful; and
DSNs won't, since they're not widely supported.
Huh? What's your threshold for "widely supported"? Doesn't sendmail
have something like 80% market share and nice
On Tue, 18 May 1999 17:35:09 +0200 (CEST), Balazs Nagy wrote:
Anyone who don't want to install ucspi-tcp. You cannot say 'qmail-smtpd is
not inetd conform' because it's not true. This is a bigger issue than
patching qmail - you cannot sell a qmail-solution without move a step back
and check
On 18 May 1999 20:12:17 +0200, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Huh? What's your threshold for "widely supported"? Doesn't sendmail
have something like 80% market share and nice DSN support?
99% supported (VERP is better than that) = 1x work. 80% supported =
20 x work.
Sam's 1000x bandwidth for VERP
hi, new to the list. I just installed qmail on my Solaris 2.6 box. It is
running fine and bouncing messages. I can not however get anything out of
it. No mail is appearing. it is not bouncing, it just doesn't seem to be
going anywhere. thanks for the help.
Brian.
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Fred Lindberg wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 1999 17:35:09 +0200 (CEST), Balazs Nagy wrote:
Anyone who don't want to install ucspi-tcp. You cannot say 'qmail-smtpd is
not inetd conform' because it's not true. This is a bigger issue than
patching qmail - you cannot sell a
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Actually it extends into a support issue as well. There are regular issues
that come up with inetd and tcpwrappers and a few other things and switching
to tcpserver solves all of them and in a more robust fashion. So in this
case it really is
ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/www/docs/smtplf.html
We've gotten ahold of the techs at zianet, and were trying to work this
problem out. Everybodies hunch about the linefeeds was correct.
The question is now how to fix it.
He turned on an option in his mail program that basicly, as i understand
it
On Tue, 18 May 1999, John Gonzalez/netMDC admin wrote:
The question is now how to fix it.
A very good answer is at the tips and advice section at
http://www.qmail.org/top.html by Dan himself. A tricky and cool
answer actually.
--
Regards: Kevin (Balazs)
On 18-May-99 Balazs Nagy wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Actually it extends into a support issue as well. There are regular issues
that come up with inetd and tcpwrappers and a few other things and switching
to tcpserver solves all of them and in a more robust
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Not in this one: ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/www/qmail/faq.html
Well, I don't check that faq requlary. I use the /var/qmail/doc/FAQ.
Support was dropped for inetd configurations a few months ago.
Excusez moi, but you meant 'support was dropped
On 18-May-99 Balazs Nagy wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Not in this one: ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/www/qmail/faq.html
Well, I don't check that faq requlary. I use the /var/qmail/doc/FAQ.
Support was dropped for inetd configurations a few months ago.
Excusez
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 08:31:25AM -0400, Dave Sill wrote:
Anand Buddhdev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 09:19:29AM -0400, Eric Shafto wrote:
HELO SP domain CRLF
domain ::= element | element "." domain
element ::= name | "#" number | "[" dotnum "]"
dotnum ::=
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 03:32:53PM +0300, Anand Buddhdev wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 12:12:14PM +0200, Andre Oppermann wrote:
I figured it out (I think). After you mentioned qmail-local.c I looked at
the source code. There, I found a file called conf-patrn, which defines what
modes
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 11:09:18PM +0200, Balazs Nagy wrote:
# On Tue, 18 May 1999, John Gonzalez/netMDC admin wrote:
#
# The question is now how to fix it.
#
# A very good answer is at the tips and advice section at
# http://www.qmail.org/top.html by Dan himself. A tricky and cool
# answer
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 04:27:36PM +, Javed Ahsan wrote:
While i m installing my qmail and running make command it shows me like
this:
make: *** [fork.h] Error 139
139-128=11
# kill -l 11
SIGSEGV
That's either a hardware problem or some totally screwed compiler.
Greetz, Peter
--
|
Hello.
I am a new user of Qmail, well setting up MTAs really.
I have a problem where I have set up fastforward-0.51 with qmail-1.03.
The situation involves setting up an alias for a user with the name
of the form firstname.lastname. It seems that fastforward is unable to
alias names of the
Hi, folks,
I've got qmail installed on one of my Linux boxes which is intermittently
connected via ppp. I've just got things set up, and there are a few more
things to work out (such as the ficticious domain name for my
192.168. subnet with DNS/bind/8)
But the main problem that I have is that
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 07:58:57PM -0500, Eric Berg wrote:
Hi, folks,
I've got qmail installed on one of my Linux boxes which is intermittently
connected via ppp. I've just got things set up, and there are a few more
things to work out (such as the ficticious domain name for my
192.168.
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 07:58:57PM -0500, Eric Berg wrote:
Hi, folks,
I've got qmail installed on one of my Linux boxes which is intermittently
connected via ppp. I've just got things set up, and there are a few more
things to work out (such as the ficticious domain name for my
192.168.
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Stephen Farrugia wrote:
Hello.
I am a new user of Qmail, well setting up MTAs really.
I have a problem where I have set up fastforward-0.51 with qmail-1.03.
The situation involves setting up an alias for a user with the name
of the form firstname.lastname. It seems
Bingo! Thanks, Peter and Chris.
BTW, this was my first post to the qmail list -- I've been a little bit
anxious about getting help with qmail because this list isn't on dejanews --
my main resource -- but the qmail community definitely seems to live up to
its reputation.
Thanks again. See you
Hi all you qmail Guru's!!!
I've got a problem!
I recently had a HDD die on me, and it contained /var/qmail/queue
so I replaced the hdd, and downloaded and have run queue-fix from the
qmail.org website...
Well, most mail is working well, but I've got the following errors in my log
file...
May
Try again!
-Original Message-
From: Justin Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 12:26 PM
Subject: Help: deferral:
Unable_to_forward_message:_qq_trouble_creating_files_in_queue_(#4.3.0)./
Hi all you qmail Guru's!!!
I've got a
Thanks for your help Timothy.
You provided the next crucial step in the total solution.
"Timothy L. Mayo" wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Stephen Farrugia wrote:
Hello.
I am a new user of Qmail, well setting up MTAs really.
I have a problem where I have set up fastforward-0.51 with
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On 18-May-99 Balazs Nagy wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Not in this one: ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/www/qmail/faq.html
Well, I don't check that faq requlary. I use the /var/qmail/doc/FAQ.
Support was dropped for
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 11:10:58AM -0600, Peter Janett wrote:
While we're on the subject, qmail-newu does not check to see if 2 copies
are running. I hope your perl script is doing some sort of serialization,
to make sure you don't accidentally run 2 qmail-newu's together, and end up
with a
Hello Everybody,
This may seem to be a bit off-line subject. I used to work for a
company which has On-line server in Japan. I have registered a couple
of domain names for my Mail and WWW purposes. And i have been using that
server for hosting my Mailboxes as well as DNS record. Now since i
have
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